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re: The BIG 10 is destroying itself, geographically.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:08 pm to GusAU
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:08 pm to GusAU
quote:I would not call Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri as the southeast. It is funny to see all the negative posts on here over the B1G going out of its traditional territory to add the West Coast when the states the SEC adds aren't Southeastern.
Why should the SEC change its name?
Even with new additions, all of the teams are basically in the SE quadrant if the continental US
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:30 pm to BuckI
quote:Well, it's obvious to all here that your opinion is meaningless.
I would not call Texas, Oklahoma, and Missouri as the southeast.
Every single SEC state boarders at least TWO other SEC states except for South Carolina.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:36 pm to BuckI
Texas and Missouri had stars on the confederate flag.
Only Oklahoma is outside what is considered the "South."
You don't know what you are talking about.
At least all our members are at least half southern. Yall are so pathetic and desperate to compete you've cherry picked programs all over the country since the MidWest is dying in football and has been for 50 years now.
We're only growing stronger and stronger. Just added two absolute football blue bloods that are better than the best programs in the big.
Reality.
Only Oklahoma is outside what is considered the "South."
You don't know what you are talking about.
At least all our members are at least half southern. Yall are so pathetic and desperate to compete you've cherry picked programs all over the country since the MidWest is dying in football and has been for 50 years now.
We're only growing stronger and stronger. Just added two absolute football blue bloods that are better than the best programs in the big.
Reality.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:09 pm to Bird_Hunter
Distance is very important. People from Iowa, Minnesota, and Indiana are not going to do much to add revenue to the new Big-10 in the form of ticket prices. Maryland and Rutgers are your sample space. No one watches the Big-10 outside of Ohio State and Michigan. Few people watch the rest including USC and Oregon when other SEC games are on, on a given Saturday. It's just not intriguing. More like a weak Bowl game that everyone has on in the background.
The SEC is more exciting each weekend. But, motivate yourself into believing what you want. I'm not falling for it. Especially if it adds $5-$15 per month on my cable bill. If there is an option for a Big-10 game or channel for $5 per month...then that's a nope for me.
I like the excitement and tradition that took over a hundred years to found correctly, and regional games do that for me. I'm fine with that.
The SEC is more exciting each weekend. But, motivate yourself into believing what you want. I'm not falling for it. Especially if it adds $5-$15 per month on my cable bill. If there is an option for a Big-10 game or channel for $5 per month...then that's a nope for me.
I like the excitement and tradition that took over a hundred years to found correctly, and regional games do that for me. I'm fine with that.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:20 pm to NickPapageorgio
I'd say GT and Miami most likely end up BIG10. Just makes sense to grab two additional major TV markets. GT said no to the BIG10 at the time Maryland left. Unfortunately, Swofford was a dumbass and screwed up media rights long term.
And what is the love for UNC, NC State, and UVA about with some fans? UNC hasn't even won the ACC in football since 1980. NC State since 1979. UVA is a terribly boring place to go see a game. They are hardly major markets.
As a GT fan, I'd rather make the ACC work, but I figure we are eventually going to land in the BIG10. Major market. Lots of BIG10 transplants in metro Atlanta. When the ACC added Miami in 2004, I met several of their fans that were just stoked to be able to get to travel and spend a weekend in Atlanta.
OTOH, I may be just as full of crap as everyone else. Both the SEC and BIG10 are in a staredown right now. They may just let the rest of CFB wilt and soet through the ruins later.
And what is the love for UNC, NC State, and UVA about with some fans? UNC hasn't even won the ACC in football since 1980. NC State since 1979. UVA is a terribly boring place to go see a game. They are hardly major markets.
As a GT fan, I'd rather make the ACC work, but I figure we are eventually going to land in the BIG10. Major market. Lots of BIG10 transplants in metro Atlanta. When the ACC added Miami in 2004, I met several of their fans that were just stoked to be able to get to travel and spend a weekend in Atlanta.
OTOH, I may be just as full of crap as everyone else. Both the SEC and BIG10 are in a staredown right now. They may just let the rest of CFB wilt and soet through the ruins later.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:46 pm to NickPapageorgio
quote:I don't think I would be bragging about that.
Texas and Missouri had stars on the confederate flag.
quote:I'm not the one bragging about being part of the Confederacy. And remember that ended with a northern victory.
You don't know what you are talking about.
quote:Is that what your ESPN overlords tell you? Not only is the big richer but it will have more exposure while the SEC will have only regional viewership.
At least all our members are at least half southern. Yall are so pathetic and desperate to compete you've cherry picked programs all over the country since the MidWest is dying in football and has been for 50 years now.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:54 pm to PerrillouxToTexas
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Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, USC, Michigan, etc. will all be in the same conference in football by 2040.
I don't doubt this happens at all...but allow the Big 10 to add NC, UVA, GT, Miami and FSU and either VT or NC State PLUS somehow nail down ND either as a full member or a quasi member like they are with the ACC now and the Big 10 will have the leverage to dictate terms to whoever in the SEC joins a sasturday pro league.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:55 pm to Jk8Fan
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And what is the love for UNC, NC State, and UVA about with some fans? UNC hasn't even won the ACC in football since 1980. NC State since 1979. UVA is a terribly boring place to go see a game. They are hardly major markets.
North Carolina and the Delmarva produce a HEAPING pile of NFL talent.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:56 pm to New Hampshire Tiger
With the addition of the west schools, now the Big 10 will be slow AND play no defense. What a piece of shite conference. 
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:02 pm to BuckI
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Not only is the big richer but it will have more exposure while the SEC will have only regional viewership.
Considering the SEC has much bigger brand teams, thinking they will only have regional viewership is laughable. Bama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma fan bases stretch from coast to coast. Regional viewership is for teams like Purdue and Rutgers.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:11 pm to AwgustaDawg
What programs are likely to win a natty currently?
From the SEC its Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Missouri, ATM and Arkansas. South Carolina and Kentucky are probably a no go (unfortunate for South Carolina, UK has never cared about football). Mississippi State and Vandy are no goes. Texas and OU for certain. Thats 12.
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, and Washington, USC and UCLA are locks. Wisconsin and Minnesota would make 21. Add ND, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and UNC makes 24.
Probably room for about 36 with 4 - 9 team divisions. There will be some dogs most likely, GT and Rutgers for TV markets. Oklahoma State and Nebraska probably. Possibly UK and Mississippi State and some from the current Big 10 for tradition like Northwestern for the Chicago market.
4 - 9 team divisions means 8 regular season division games in the season. 4 regular season champions get a bye, next 2 in the division are wild card teams and play one another, winner plays the champs, winners play each other and final 2 play for the Natty.
Some programs just ain't going to be included. It was never possible to include 136 teams...36 is nearly perfect and 36 is about the realistic number of teams who could possibly win a natty any given year with some dogs that will never really compete....
From the SEC its Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Missouri, ATM and Arkansas. South Carolina and Kentucky are probably a no go (unfortunate for South Carolina, UK has never cared about football). Mississippi State and Vandy are no goes. Texas and OU for certain. Thats 12.
Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Oregon, and Washington, USC and UCLA are locks. Wisconsin and Minnesota would make 21. Add ND, Miami, FSU, Clemson, and UNC makes 24.
Probably room for about 36 with 4 - 9 team divisions. There will be some dogs most likely, GT and Rutgers for TV markets. Oklahoma State and Nebraska probably. Possibly UK and Mississippi State and some from the current Big 10 for tradition like Northwestern for the Chicago market.
4 - 9 team divisions means 8 regular season division games in the season. 4 regular season champions get a bye, next 2 in the division are wild card teams and play one another, winner plays the champs, winners play each other and final 2 play for the Natty.
Some programs just ain't going to be included. It was never possible to include 136 teams...36 is nearly perfect and 36 is about the realistic number of teams who could possibly win a natty any given year with some dogs that will never really compete....
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:19 pm to New Hampshire Tiger
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There is no difference between the Midwest and the south in their love of college football. A hundred thousand standing in the cold in cold weather proves that.
Lol.
Hundreds of thousands of SEC fans standing in 100+ degree temps week after week think this is the funniest response in the entire thread.
And if you think the majority of TVs in liberal arse Oregon (where many would love to see college and pro athletics go away altogether) hold a candle to SEC fandom, you need to visit Portland.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:31 pm to StringedInstruments
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Average weekly TV viewers in 2022:
#20 Awbun at 1.89 million (one of our worst seasons ever including a mid season coach firing
#50 Missouri at 793k
Average weekly TV viewers in 2023:
#17 Awbun at 2.074 million (6-6 season)
#23 Missouri at 1.63 million (top ten team)
Now this is some doctored up bullshite. You very conveniently counted non-network games, which don't get a Nielsen rating (which are most for Mizzou) as zeros.
Here are actual numbers for Missouri this season: 3.25 million (6 games), 16th nationally, and ahead of Florida, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Oklahoma.
Source
Auburn did get good ratings (one spot ahead of Mizzou), but got carried hard by the fact that they played Georgia and Alabama in primetime on CBS.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 3:55 pm to Wellborn
quote:The B1G would not have added Oregon if they did not add to revenue. Plus it is always good to have a partner like Nike. As far as the politics of Oregon, remember Georgia put Biden in the white house.
And if you think the majority of TVs in liberal arse Oregon (where many would love to see college and pro athletics go away altogether) hold a candle to SEC fandom, you need to visit Portland.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:36 pm to Gunga Din
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quote:The SEC's ideas on expansion are outdated. Everyone is trying to expand beyond their footprint. Even the ACC and Big 12 are trying to go national. The SEC has dug a hole that they cannot dig out of unless they swallow their regional pride and add Big 12 schools.
The SEC has already includes a couple of border states and former Indian territory. What do you want them to do. Take in actual Yankees???
Posted on 12/27/23 at 4:47 pm to Bass Tiger
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Everyone is trying to expand beyond their footprint.
You mean everyone was frantically searching for an answer to the SEC adding UT and OU and got desperate enough to lose control of their footprints?
CFB outside of CFP is and always will be a regional thing and that’s not bad. It’s why we prefer it to NFL. There is no Swift/Kelce drama. There are no Dallas Cowboys. It’s just us bass supporting our kids and trying to win some games.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:00 pm to NickPapageorgio
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MidWest is dying in football and has been for 50 years now.
Yet Ohio state does 250m a year in football revenues. Did your parents drop you out of the trailer ?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:08 pm to New Hampshire Tiger
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No one watches the Big-10 outside of Ohio State and Michigan.
So why is the Tv deal 4 billion dollars more ? Two teams are not making up that delta. You can’t fix dumb.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:20 pm to Bird_Hunter
OSU is the only B1G school that can recruit in state in the way Florida, UGA, Bama, LSU, Texas can recruit in state.
It isn't OSU that's the problem. It's that Mid West doesn't have enough talented players to compete against the SEC. It hasn't since the 80's.
The gap increases every single year.
The SEC has all the best recruiting grounds and rabid fan bases. Half the B1G is in no mans land for recruiting and admins that don't even care really.
The B1G is bottom heavy while the SEC is top heavy.
The SEC already destroyed the Big 10. It's gone. They decided to give up and just maybe destroy all the conferences because they know they can't beat the SEC teams.
Still behind, we see in this thread b1g fans declaring that they're going to add ND, FSU, Clemson....and then...finally...we'll be equal to the SEC. Nope.
Even funnier, they now dream of just ending the SEC and B1G completely so they can join with UF, Bama, UT, Oklahoma, AU, UTe, UGA.
It's hilarious but kind of sad and pathetic.
It isn't OSU that's the problem. It's that Mid West doesn't have enough talented players to compete against the SEC. It hasn't since the 80's.
The gap increases every single year.
The SEC has all the best recruiting grounds and rabid fan bases. Half the B1G is in no mans land for recruiting and admins that don't even care really.
The B1G is bottom heavy while the SEC is top heavy.
The SEC already destroyed the Big 10. It's gone. They decided to give up and just maybe destroy all the conferences because they know they can't beat the SEC teams.
Still behind, we see in this thread b1g fans declaring that they're going to add ND, FSU, Clemson....and then...finally...we'll be equal to the SEC. Nope.
Even funnier, they now dream of just ending the SEC and B1G completely so they can join with UF, Bama, UT, Oklahoma, AU, UTe, UGA.
It's hilarious but kind of sad and pathetic.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 7:49 pm to Bird_Hunter
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So why is the Tv deal 4 billion dollars more ? Two teams are not making up that delta
It’s more about some good brands and Fox trying to stay alive. ESPN already locked up the SEC. Had they also taken the big 10, fox would be irrelevant in CFB. Outside of tOSU, UM and Nebraska, Big10 doesn’t have strong brands like the SEC.
With the additions of Oregon and USC they got stronger, but the general public appeal is still to the SEC.
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