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re: My son asked me this question and I honestly didn’t know...
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:13 am to TheTideMustRoll
Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:13 am to TheTideMustRoll
I didn’t know that.
Ok I’m done reading this thread. I didn’t know that either. And by the way how bad do the offenses have to be for that situation to occur?
Ok I’m done reading this thread. I didn’t know that either. And by the way how bad do the offenses have to be for that situation to occur?
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Posted on 12/17/23 at 12:36 am to TheTideMustRoll
I wanted to add this from Google “ In College Football, the NCAA started overtime in 1996 which ended the chances of any game ending 0–0. However, in 2014 Wake Forest and Virginia Tech ended in a 0–0 after 4 quarters (Wake Forest would win 6–3 in OT). The last regular season 0–0 tie was in 1983 between Oregon and Oregon State”
It is really rare for a regulation game ending in a 0-0 tie. And even more unlikely to hit at 3rd OT at 0-0 only to give up a safety. I actually attended a 3-0 ballgame. Ole Miss vs Memphis in 1999. We won. I wanted to fire Cutcliffe after his first game. I wanted to puke after sitting through that crap. I can only imagine 0-0 after 4 quarters and 2 OTs.
It is really rare for a regulation game ending in a 0-0 tie. And even more unlikely to hit at 3rd OT at 0-0 only to give up a safety. I actually attended a 3-0 ballgame. Ole Miss vs Memphis in 1999. We won. I wanted to fire Cutcliffe after his first game. I wanted to puke after sitting through that crap. I can only imagine 0-0 after 4 quarters and 2 OTs.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 6:20 am to Rebbedup
That is an obscure rule. Most strange rules come into being after an unusual event in which no rule applies. I've never seen it happen, but it could!
Posted on 12/17/23 at 7:09 am to Rebbedup
So..2 to 0 is the lowest possible winning score in a football game.... Though 1 pt is possible to be scored
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:00 am to Rebbedup
Happened in an Oregon vs Kansas State game, but the 1 point safety was called against the defense, so the offense got 1 point, on an extra point that was blocked.
Defense tried to run it out of the endzone and got tackled. Would not result in a score of 1, but I’ve still never seen it happen and didn’t know that rule.
Sorry I’m too old to know how to link the video. It’s easy to find on YouTube.
Defense tried to run it out of the endzone and got tackled. Would not result in a score of 1, but I’ve still never seen it happen and didn’t know that rule.
Sorry I’m too old to know how to link the video. It’s easy to find on YouTube.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:02 am to Rebbedup
There has to be a touchdown for an extra point attempt to occur.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:03 am to borotiger
OK this one is fun. Thanks, OP, for sending me down the rabbit hole.
First of all, yea it is possible to score a 1 point safety. They have happened several times in games. They can only happen on an extra point kick or a two point conversion try. There are three ways these can happen on PAT/ 2 point attempts:
1) The team on offense fumbles the ball 97 yards backwards and recovers it in their own end zone (or it goes out of end zone). In this case the defense would get 1 point.
2) The team on offense fumbles the ball forward into opponents endzone. If this happens AND the defense gains possession AND the defender fumbles the ball out of the endzone, then the offense would be awarded 1 point.
3) The offense fumbles forward into opponents' endzone. A defender picks it up and tries to run it out but gets tackled in his own end zone. In this case, the offense is awarded 1 point.
Any of the above can happen on any conversion attempt after a TD.
But the OP asked specifically if a team can finish the game with only one point. The answer is yes!l. How?
Since a team can only get a one point safety on a extra point/2 point attempt, then this means we must find a way to get a PAT without scoring a TD first. How can we do that? The only way I can fathom is in the 3rd (or later) overtime. Starting in 3rd overtime, the NCAA places ball on 3 yard line and gives both teams one shot to make a 2 point conversion. This was implemented like 2 years ago to avoid another TAMU/LSU 70 point OT.
But in order to get to overtime in the first place (in our scenario), regulation must end tied 0-0.
So if we get to 3rd overtime still tied 0-0 and one of my 3 scenarios above happens, then the game will end 1-0.
Conclusion: Yes a team can end a game with only 1 point, but it must be a 1-0 game. (Edit: I was wrong here. You can win 1-0 in OT but it's not only way to leave the game with 1 point. See below).
EDIT: Read AUFANATLs post on next page. He corrects me and points out that a team can still end up with 1 point and lose. This is because a 1 point safety can be awarded to either offense or defense. So it is possible to get 1 point without even going into OT if you score the safety on defense while other team is attempting a PAT/2 PC.
First of all, yea it is possible to score a 1 point safety. They have happened several times in games. They can only happen on an extra point kick or a two point conversion try. There are three ways these can happen on PAT/ 2 point attempts:
1) The team on offense fumbles the ball 97 yards backwards and recovers it in their own end zone (or it goes out of end zone). In this case the defense would get 1 point.
2) The team on offense fumbles the ball forward into opponents endzone. If this happens AND the defense gains possession AND the defender fumbles the ball out of the endzone, then the offense would be awarded 1 point.
3) The offense fumbles forward into opponents' endzone. A defender picks it up and tries to run it out but gets tackled in his own end zone. In this case, the offense is awarded 1 point.
Any of the above can happen on any conversion attempt after a TD.
But the OP asked specifically if a team can finish the game with only one point. The answer is yes!l. How?
Since a team can only get a one point safety on a extra point/2 point attempt, then this means we must find a way to get a PAT without scoring a TD first. How can we do that? The only way I can fathom is in the 3rd (or later) overtime. Starting in 3rd overtime, the NCAA places ball on 3 yard line and gives both teams one shot to make a 2 point conversion. This was implemented like 2 years ago to avoid another TAMU/LSU 70 point OT.
But in order to get to overtime in the first place (in our scenario), regulation must end tied 0-0.
So if we get to 3rd overtime still tied 0-0 and one of my 3 scenarios above happens, then the game will end 1-0.
Conclusion: Yes a team can end a game with only 1 point, but it must be a 1-0 game. (Edit: I was wrong here. You can win 1-0 in OT but it's not only way to leave the game with 1 point. See below).
EDIT: Read AUFANATLs post on next page. He corrects me and points out that a team can still end up with 1 point and lose. This is because a 1 point safety can be awarded to either offense or defense. So it is possible to get 1 point without even going into OT if you score the safety on defense while other team is attempting a PAT/2 PC.
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:14 am to Rebbedup
There's apparently a YouTube channel dedicated to this whole thing called "one point safety".
They had a 1-point safety in the 2013 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State vs Oregon) - though that was the more "normal" type where the kick gets blocked, and the team that blocked it gets tackled after trying to advance the kick beyond the end zone, retreats into the end zone, and then gets tackled.
As someone else mentioned, if - for example - Auburn had mishandled a snap during the 2-point conversion exchange in the Iron Bowl we had recently and it got kicked all the way back to their end zone and they picked it up to get tackled, then that would have resulted in 1 point.
Imagine if that had occurred in the Wake Forest / Virginia Tech game a few years ago.
So yeah, a game could now end 1-0 thanks to the new NCAA overtime rules. It's HIGHLY unlikely, but not impossible.
They had a 1-point safety in the 2013 Fiesta Bowl (Kansas State vs Oregon) - though that was the more "normal" type where the kick gets blocked, and the team that blocked it gets tackled after trying to advance the kick beyond the end zone, retreats into the end zone, and then gets tackled.
As someone else mentioned, if - for example - Auburn had mishandled a snap during the 2-point conversion exchange in the Iron Bowl we had recently and it got kicked all the way back to their end zone and they picked it up to get tackled, then that would have resulted in 1 point.
Imagine if that had occurred in the Wake Forest / Virginia Tech game a few years ago.
So yeah, a game could now end 1-0 thanks to the new NCAA overtime rules. It's HIGHLY unlikely, but not impossible.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:15 am to TheCheshireHog
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But they would have scored a TD prior to this play so the score would then be 6-1 assuming no other scores happened
The question is not “can a team win a game 1-0” it’s “can a team end the game with 1 point”
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:16 am to Rebbedup
But the answer is still no. Because if the offense is attempting an extra point, that would mean they scored a TD. So they would already have 6pts.
"The only time a 1 point safety can occur is when the offense on an extra point or two point conversion attempt gets tackled in their own end zone.“
"The only time a 1 point safety can occur is when the offense on an extra point or two point conversion attempt gets tackled in their own end zone.“
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:17 am
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:17 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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The question is not “can a team win a game 1-0” it’s “can a team end the game with 1 point”
See my post just above. The only way a team can finish a game with 1 point is if the game ends 1-0. In other words, if you finish with 1 point, you always win the game.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:19 am to SouthernInsanity
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But the answer is still no. Because if the offense is attempting an extra point, that would mean they scored a TD. So they would already have 6pts. "The only time a 1 point safety can occur is when the offense on an extra point or two point conversion attempt gets tackled in their own end zone.“
Unless we’re in OT, where the rules dictate teams exchange 2 point conversions after the second OT.
So it’s one of those things that’s theoretically possible but with incredibly remote odds.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:20 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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The longest safety ever (of the 2-pt variety) is 60 yards. Safe to say that we’ll never see the 1-pt version.
That said…if you somehow pull it off it should be 50 points just to penalize the other team for being stupid.
It's not as impossible as some are suggesting.
What would likely need to happen is the defensive team drops the ball going into the end zone and the offensive team recovers it.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:21 am to SouthernInsanity
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But the answer is still no. Because if the offense is attempting an extra point, that would mean they scored a TD.
Nope. Look up overtime rules. Starting in 3rd OT, all you are allowed to do is 2 point conversion (without TDs). This is a fairly recent rule change that was put in place after YawYaw got Gatorade bath and still lost 72-70 or whatever it was vs. aTm. They wanted to shorten OT.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 8:29 am to Rebbedup
they would have to go backwards 98 yards for a safety. I would be shocked if it has ever
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 8:32 am
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:45 am to borotiger
nm — already asked and answered
This post was edited on 12/17/23 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:00 am to Rebbedup
So u telling me, the qb will run the opposite way to their endzone to get a safety on an extra point?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:07 am to AUstar
Downvoted you for aggie cup game and sorry..... the kid's question didn't mention anything about OT.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:09 am to Clockwatcher68
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Watch it happen three times next year just because we talked about it.
If Iowa couldn't accomplish this over the past 2 years, I don't think anyone can.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:23 am to Rebbedup
My mistake. I comprehended it as if there had been a one point safety in a game; and you said a game ending as 1-0. Reading is fundamental and I failed that.
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