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re: Where are all the advertisements? Kids are being paid millions for their likeness
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:32 pm to five_fivesix
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:32 pm to five_fivesix
quote:people do buy things based on endorsements, or companies who have to justify marketing expenditures with actual sales woudl not use spokespeople. I mean, just look at Jordan shoes. They are no better than any other athletic shoes but people but them because of the MJ association (originally, now they are kind of their own thing). If NIL were operating legitimately you would see the top level of college athletes with actual name recognition getting millions of dollars on nationwide ad campaigns, and from there the amounts would drop off precipitously based on name recognition and regional appeal. The lesser known athletes would be getting a couple thousands from local businesses in their home towns where they are a big deal.
Here’s a question. Who buys stuff based on what a college kid says?
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:34 pm to narddogg81
Yeah KJ Jefferson supposedly gets by far the most NIL at Arkansas and I have yet to see any kind of advert with him.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:37 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:actual established, heisman qbs. that makes sense. kid nobody has ever heard of out of highschool getting a million bucks for nothing, that makes no sense. Bryce Young was in dr pepper commercials after winning the heisman, there is a logical basis for that to be the case
Caleb Williams and Jayden were in some national ads?
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:38 pm to rwestmore7
Well no one is forcing them too they do this to get a nfl carreer there is always a risk involves screw nil
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:39 pm to narddogg81
quote:Bama fans all told us that players should be getting paid back when Saban was buying number 1 recruiting classes in his early years.....Now yall are bitching about the results. frick off
NIL, transfer portal, playoff, have all been awful for the sport
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:41 pm to ChexMix
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Bama fans all told us that players should be getting paid back when Saban was buying number 1 recruiting classes in his early years....
chargers and cash under the table made for simpler times
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:42 pm to ChexMix
quote:chex mix here just making shite up, as per usual. its gonna be nice when you are gone when wiliams doesnt end up flipping
Bama fans all told us that players should be getting paid back when Saban was buying number 1 recruiting classes in his early years.....Now yall are bitching about the results. frick off
its not surprising we have auburn tards rushing in to simp for the fraudulent NIL system we have, it gives them hope of being relevant again
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:43 pm to narddogg81
Jayden had his own Gatorade commercial that would play during the commercials vs Florida state in the first game of the year
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:52 pm to Tenn grad LSU fan
And no one is forcing you to watch it.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:55 pm to ugasickem
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Don’t care anymore
There was a thread on an FSU board that brought up a pretty simple point, what's going to happen if people get so apathetic that they stop spending money as a fan? Tickets, hotel rooms, travel, merchandise, some fans and boosters might get so fed up with players jumping from team to team that they might just say the hell with it when it comes to donating money towards an NIL for a player that's only going to stay one year. We've got projected starters getting on social media saying they're entering the portal just to hold out for more money. I don't want to act like the sky is falling, but it kinda is. It's not "college football" if it has absolutely nothing to do with the college part.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 12:58 pm to narddogg81
Yea it’s weird. I haven’t seen Burton on any commercials since he transferred
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:01 pm to Corso
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what's going to happen if people get so apathetic that they stop spending money as a fan?
Eventually the average fan will realize there are 18-22 yr olds that are backups on the sideline making more money than they do
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:04 pm to narddogg81
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NIL is a major driving force in transferring or staying
Agreed. It is what should be addressed to provide both NIL benefit to players and stability for programs.
Unless you are a grad transfer or have a HC or position/coordinator change, you should have to sit a year. I'd go so far as to say you only get 1 free transfer over a 4 year period to retain collegiate eligibility.
The money doesn't bother me so much as the unrestricted free agency and difficulty of managing rosters. It affects the entirety of a program.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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Eventually the average fan will realize there are 18-22 yr olds that are backups on the sideline making more money than they do
True. And I wonder how team chemistry will be when true freshmen and transfers that don't even have a jersey number yet are making more money than 4 or 5 starters combined
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:43 pm to narddogg81
1. Are we really going to pretend like Alabama players for years didn't have the sickest car collection of any program in the nation?
2. These kids aren't going to school to learn plain and simple, I don't know why anyone still believes this, it generally seems it's always the over 45+ year old crowd. "They are getting a free education, stiped, world class training blah blah blah. That arguement is so elementary. Everyone in the Rant is the issue, myself included. We are obsessed with cfp because it's awesome and you have too many people making tens of millions off these kids. The money is too big now and the routines and time required to perform at the highest level of college football and study something of ACTUAL meaning is impossible. Let's not pretend like these kids are supposed to play football at Bama, Lsu, Oregon, OSU, Michigan, Texas and then go be hedge fund managers, Drs, Lawyers, Accountants, Execs, Investment Bankers etc, business owners etc. I'm not saying the kids aren't smart enough TO DO it, the system they are in during school doesn't allow for that.
3. Because of the point above, the schools trick and lie to themselves by thinking these kids are getting a real education and once they are done playing the schools really do nothing to help the kids that made so much money off their backs. There are exceptions but let's just call a spade a spade. How are you going to study something of value i.e. Math, accounting, economics, finance, computer science etc and play D1 college football at a top program lol that's laughable.
4. The school admins make way too much off these kids too, if you work in education you have never been in a position to get paid for your performance, you're a figurehead, you're not a real earner. Those roles pay well but you have a constant cash flow stream yearly off elite recruits. Rob Mullens, Oregons AD has never worked in private enterprise lol. He makes 1-2m a year with bonuses. What did he ever earn if we look at it that way? Before Nil you get Chip Kelly that recruits Mariota and he takes Oregon on a run and Mullens salary gets bumped while the kids make nothing?
5. So who cares if some kid from disadvantaged circumstances makes a couple million bucks because he transferred from Oregon to LSU. Most of these kids at least 98% of them won't ever see an NFL field, doesn't matter how much work they put in and they aren't in a position to learn something of real value during school so what's it to us?
6. I hope these kids start earning multiple millions because they deserve it, because these are elite and the free market rewards performance and skill based traits that people possess that very few do. No different in life or capitalism. That is how the world works, doesn't matter if you're 19 or 29 or 59.
7. College sports are more competitive than ever, look at D1 bball last year during March Madness, all the parity. That doesn't exist without nil, portals and kids getting paid for their likeness. Look at all the college football teams with 0-2 losses this year, same thing. If a kid wants to get paid for his services elsewhere, why should he explore that? No different than an employee wanting to find another job. Unique traits, skills and intellect get financially rewarded. Doesn't matter if it's athletics or in a career. Doesn't matter what age either.
8. Now I will say, I think kids having access to changing teams every year if they want creates a bad mindset at times. It teaches kids to not stick through things and go through the hardships of life. But that is up to them and their parents to figure out, not us.
2. These kids aren't going to school to learn plain and simple, I don't know why anyone still believes this, it generally seems it's always the over 45+ year old crowd. "They are getting a free education, stiped, world class training blah blah blah. That arguement is so elementary. Everyone in the Rant is the issue, myself included. We are obsessed with cfp because it's awesome and you have too many people making tens of millions off these kids. The money is too big now and the routines and time required to perform at the highest level of college football and study something of ACTUAL meaning is impossible. Let's not pretend like these kids are supposed to play football at Bama, Lsu, Oregon, OSU, Michigan, Texas and then go be hedge fund managers, Drs, Lawyers, Accountants, Execs, Investment Bankers etc, business owners etc. I'm not saying the kids aren't smart enough TO DO it, the system they are in during school doesn't allow for that.
3. Because of the point above, the schools trick and lie to themselves by thinking these kids are getting a real education and once they are done playing the schools really do nothing to help the kids that made so much money off their backs. There are exceptions but let's just call a spade a spade. How are you going to study something of value i.e. Math, accounting, economics, finance, computer science etc and play D1 college football at a top program lol that's laughable.
4. The school admins make way too much off these kids too, if you work in education you have never been in a position to get paid for your performance, you're a figurehead, you're not a real earner. Those roles pay well but you have a constant cash flow stream yearly off elite recruits. Rob Mullens, Oregons AD has never worked in private enterprise lol. He makes 1-2m a year with bonuses. What did he ever earn if we look at it that way? Before Nil you get Chip Kelly that recruits Mariota and he takes Oregon on a run and Mullens salary gets bumped while the kids make nothing?
5. So who cares if some kid from disadvantaged circumstances makes a couple million bucks because he transferred from Oregon to LSU. Most of these kids at least 98% of them won't ever see an NFL field, doesn't matter how much work they put in and they aren't in a position to learn something of real value during school so what's it to us?
6. I hope these kids start earning multiple millions because they deserve it, because these are elite and the free market rewards performance and skill based traits that people possess that very few do. No different in life or capitalism. That is how the world works, doesn't matter if you're 19 or 29 or 59.
7. College sports are more competitive than ever, look at D1 bball last year during March Madness, all the parity. That doesn't exist without nil, portals and kids getting paid for their likeness. Look at all the college football teams with 0-2 losses this year, same thing. If a kid wants to get paid for his services elsewhere, why should he explore that? No different than an employee wanting to find another job. Unique traits, skills and intellect get financially rewarded. Doesn't matter if it's athletics or in a career. Doesn't matter what age either.
8. Now I will say, I think kids having access to changing teams every year if they want creates a bad mindset at times. It teaches kids to not stick through things and go through the hardships of life. But that is up to them and their parents to figure out, not us.
This post was edited on 12/15/23 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:44 pm to Topwater Trout
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Eventually the average fan will realize there are 18-22 yr olds that are backups on the sideline making more money than they do
How will the coaches react when they earn less? Will we see a time when players can dictate who the coaches are?
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:44 pm to narddogg81
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….simp for the fraudulent NIL system….
Gee narddog, you are right. What was everyone thinking? I will just forward your posts to all the appropriate coaches, athletic departments, legal teams, etc….at the appropriate institutions and this will all be stopped. I mean surely all of these highly paid experienced people could not be smarter than you about this system.
Posted on 12/15/23 at 1:58 pm to Corso
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I don't want to act like the sky is falling, but it kinda is.
It hasn’t been CFB for a long time. But, as long as people’s self-worth hinges on a 19 year old contractor scoring with their school’s logo on his helmet, it will survive just fine.
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