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re: SEC coaches records vs final AP top 25 teams
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:00 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:00 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
There's two members that post non stop and they've yet to touch this thread. So odd
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:09 pm to DuckTalesLOL
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That's pretty dumb logic IMO.
No it isn’t. Teams that are ranked during the early part of the season are incorrectly ranked, and the entire body of a season will prove or disprove that. This is why they CFP doesn’t begin ranking teams until closer to the end.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:11 pm to DuckTalesLOL
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So weeks 1-12 don't matter then?
They all matter. Got to wait until all are played to know good a team is
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:16 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
Of course you chose finished. Can't have Zach Arnett in first place since you're sorting by win% and he's undefeated vs. top 25 opponents at 1-0 vs. Illinois in our bowl game as interim.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:21 pm to BulldogDX
Final poll rankings are a pretty standard metric.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 1:22 pm to deltaland
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Do you know what Leachs was by any chance?
He was 18-55 (.247).
He broke a lot of team's hearts in their own stadiums. 7 of those 18 wins were on the road.
For reference:
Saban has 13 of his wins on the road
Urban Meyer - 8
Kelly & Jimbo - 6
Smart - 5
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:06 pm to TouchdownTony
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it shouldn't as ranked at the end of the season is a TRUE factor of how that team was.
The counter to that is that if your team beats a ranked team, that other team's ranking will go down and be lower at the end of the season. It's like if Georgia hadn't have beaten Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi State and LSU, all of those teams would've been ranked higher at the end of the season.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:13 pm to European Man Satchel
Agreed. You can't separate the two, but most find a way to integrate them.
Ranking at the time of playing is absolutely valid, as it plays into the psyche of the players and the atmosphere of the game. Later efforts of the losing team shouldn't be an eraser of the magic of that earlier upset
Ranking at the time of playing is absolutely valid, as it plays into the psyche of the players and the atmosphere of the game. Later efforts of the losing team shouldn't be an eraser of the magic of that earlier upset
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:13 pm to LSUNV
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He has lost more games at Bama than he did at LSU
Probably because he’s spent way more time at Bama
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:14 pm to wesfau
*must find a way
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:19 pm to wesfau
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Agreed. You can't separate the two, but most find a way to integrate them.
Ranking at the time of playing is absolutely valid, as it plays into the psyche of the players and the atmosphere of the game. Later efforts of the losing team shouldn't be an eraser of the magic of that earlier upset
It's why the shittiest teams are statistically the most likely to end up playing the most teams ranked in the Top 25 at the end of the season, because they didn't beat any of them lol.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:29 pm to European Man Satchel
quote:Well those teams lost. The final ranking is a compilation of the whole resume, not just games they played against non-Georgia teams. Their rankings were adjusted to accurately reflect that loss on their resume. They are who their record says they are. Not some make believe record where they didn't play Georgia. If a team beats every team except Georgia on their schedule, they are likely going to be top 10. I hardly think a loss is the only game the pollsters look at when the year is over.
The counter to that is that if your team beats a ranked team, that other team's ranking will go down and be lower at the end of the season. It's like if Georgia hadn't have beaten Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi State and LSU, all of those teams would've been ranked higher at the end of the season
The real issue would be major injury. If a Heisman quality QB goes down and the team ends up losing their last 5 games after only losing 1 up until that injury, that final ranking is not very indicative of the teams that played that team up until that injury occurred.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:34 pm to PeleofAnalytics
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Well those teams lost. The final ranking is a compilation of the whole resume, not just games they played against non-Georgia teams. Their rankings were adjusted to accurately reflect that loss on their resume. They are who their record says they are. Not some make believe record where they didn't play Georgia. If a team beats every team except Georgia on their schedule, they are likely going to be top 10. I hardly think a loss is the only game the pollsters look at when the year is over.
The real issue would be major injury. If a Heisman quality QB goes down and the team ends up losing their last 5 games after only losing 1 up until that injury, that final ranking is not very indicative of the teams that played that team up until that injury occurred.
I see what you're saying and you make some strong points, but the more games that a team wins, the less likely they are to have played against as many teams who were ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season.
It's like the other guys wrote: There needs to be a way to integrate both – where was the team ranked at the time of the game and where were they ranked at the end of the season.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:36 pm to FireDanMullen
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Finally. Ranked at end of season is the only metric that matters. Great post.
Most of the time I’d agree with you. I do think ranked at the time the game was played has some relevance though when it comes to teams who sustain major injuries (the Oregon team with Dennis Dixon comes to mind).
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:40 pm to PeleofAnalytics
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/lsu-sports/empty-yellow-seats/104329021/
If LSU is so intimidating, then how the hell did this happen?^^^ Campaigning to paint the bleachers a new color to make the lack of fan support less embarrassing.
If LSU is so intimidating, then how the hell did this happen?^^^ Campaigning to paint the bleachers a new color to make the lack of fan support less embarrassing.
This post was edited on 7/6/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:40 pm to LSUNV
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He has lost more games at Bama than he did at LSU
Well he’s entering his 17th season at Alabama. Compared to 5 seasons at LSU.
But even then it’s close. 16 losses at LSU and 27 at Alabama.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:43 pm to The_Ultimate_Warrior
Not even one Steven alter, or his awkward step brother Sidewalk, response to be found.
Interesting
Interesting
Posted on 7/6/23 at 2:43 pm to Ross
Those aren't the most common scenarios.
More often than not, a team isn't as good or as deep as the rest of the opponents that they play.
Occasionally, a stud QB will go down.
But even then... some teams don't make excuses (Ohio, uga, bama). Win with the backup.
More often than not, a team isn't as good or as deep as the rest of the opponents that they play.
Occasionally, a stud QB will go down.
But even then... some teams don't make excuses (Ohio, uga, bama). Win with the backup.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:01 pm to TouchdownTony
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it shouldn't as ranked at the end of the season is a TRUE factor of how that team was.
i see these stats on teams all the time in that they beat 5 top 10 teams and I'm like huh? When you check it they beat one.
Mostly.
Sometimes you have a team that suffers a critical injury mid-season and the team they were at the beginning of the season could be significantly superior to the team at the end.
Those are outliers though.
Posted on 7/6/23 at 3:02 pm to DuckTalesLOL
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So weeks 1-12 don't matter then?
Let's all congratulate Appy State on beating a top-10 aTm, team last year. Sure, they finished the season 2-6 in conference and 5-7 overall...but those week 2 rankings are really important and something to hang your hat on.
I won't say that weeks 1-12 don't matter...but the rankings in weeks 1-6 are pretty much a crap shoot on accuracy. There just isn't enough data to make an accurate assessment.
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