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Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:24 pm to Smokeyone
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They are not required to play a game as a condition of being in school. The athletes knew that being present and standing for any and all anthems was a condition of being in the tournament.
The freedom of speech does not and should not exempt you from speech.
Nothing in your response addresses the inconsistency of celebrating patriotism by restricting freedom.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:33 pm to so_comfort
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Nothing in your response addresses the inconsistency of celebrating patriotism by restricting freedom.
No freedom is restricted. They are voluntarily part of the team (it’s not a condition of enrollment or obtaining a degree). Ergo they voluntarily submit to the conditions of being on the team and of being in the tournament.
They tournament could require them to stand for baby shark as a condition of being their and if the athletes chose to participate in the tournament they will be present and standing for babyshark. The song played is irrelevant in regards to their obligation to be present and standing.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:35 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Why are the athletes supposed to be held to a different standard for the National Anthem?
Present and standing is a requirement of participation. Fans have no such obligation. The fans do not represent the event or team. Athletes do.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:45 pm to Smokeyone
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Present and standing is a requirement of participation.
Ok. So you don’t have a qualm about it being the National Anthem disrespect. Moreso that the players aren’t doing something that you think is a requirement of participation (although I haven’t seen that as a rule so if you do have a link to that I’d greatly appreciate it).
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:51 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Ok. So you don’t have a qualm about it being the National Anthem disrespect. Moreso that the players aren’t doing something that you think is a requirement of participation (although I haven’t seen that as a rule so if you do have a link to that I’d greatly appreciate it).
Almost 20 years of playing sports on 3 continents, it’s understood you are present and standing for all anthems. From diplomatic leagues, rec leagues, to college. It doesn’t matter if you hate the country of the anthem or love them, you can literally be in a hot or Cold War. You are present and stand. Your personal feeling on the matter stay personal.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:00 pm to Smokeyone
Again, we agree that the NCAA, as a private organization, **could** require any legal thing they like. It's protection from the government that's laid out in the First Amendment.
With that being said, requiring specific participation goes against the spirit of the freedoms said event supposedly celebrates.
With that being said, requiring specific participation goes against the spirit of the freedoms said event supposedly celebrates.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:04 pm to Smokeyone
Sorry my cat walked across my keyboard and managed to ruin my first post. As a Nam vet, I certainly stand but then again, American Vets fight for people to have the right to choose how they live their life. Often it has little to do with the rights of the homeland. Having said that, if I see an idiot mishandling or mistreating the flag, I will confront him or her.
I will close with a page from Military spouse LINK
No one would rationally argue that the right to protest should be taken away, instead, weigh the damage, and specifically weigh the collateral damage to protest in this way. Could it be that we should respect the message, but the method is completely and outrightly offensive to most Americans? Especially to those in uniform, or those who have ever worn a uniform, in service to our great country. So, for me, the answer to this question is simple, and one that every person is free to answer.
But for me, “No, it is never okay.
I will close with a page from Military spouse LINK
No one would rationally argue that the right to protest should be taken away, instead, weigh the damage, and specifically weigh the collateral damage to protest in this way. Could it be that we should respect the message, but the method is completely and outrightly offensive to most Americans? Especially to those in uniform, or those who have ever worn a uniform, in service to our great country. So, for me, the answer to this question is simple, and one that every person is free to answer.
But for me, “No, it is never okay.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:12 pm to so_comfort
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With that being said, requiring specific participation goes against the spirit of the freedoms said event supposedly celebrates.
If anything it honors duty and commitment. Putting duty above personal feelings. It cost you nothing to be present and standing during the anthem but by choosing not to (and UofSC choose not to all tournament) it alienates and divides the patrons and reflects poorly on the event. It’s disrespectful to the hosts and sponsors. It’s selfish and gains you nothing while harming the event.
I despise what this country has become and am the biggest proponent of Balkanization on the tigerdroppings family of message boards but I stand as I am able for the anthem. I have stood for the anthem of a country that expelled me and my family (thanks jimmy carter) and for countries that I was in with US soldiers and marines actively fighting them. You want to play the game, standing for an anthem, any official anthem is just part of it. I hate Whitney Houston’s butchering of the anthem but stood for 4 years at least 12 times a years while it was played.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:12 pm to atlanta917
I remember Jimmy Dykes was the basketball coach for the women. He had his players take a knee and controversy began and he defended those actions. But not long after that happened, he got canned.
People have the right to take a knee but people have also the right to call them cowards for taking a shite on the flag that millions of American men died for. So taking a knee is a lack of respect for the honored dead and a clear lack of morals for the fellow man.
People have the right to take a knee but people have also the right to call them cowards for taking a shite on the flag that millions of American men died for. So taking a knee is a lack of respect for the honored dead and a clear lack of morals for the fellow man.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:17 pm to dchog
The commie coach should have asked herself if this action will advance or negatively impact woman’s basketball. And everyone of those players could be replaced by dudes playing pretend because they can’t compete as males because of Woke culture.
Just a really poorly chosen hill to die on.
Just a really poorly chosen hill to die on.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:18 pm to Smokeyone
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I hate Whitney Houston’s butchering of the anthem but stood for 4 years at least 12 times a years while it was played.
I’m sorry… what? I can’t take you seriously if you think Whitney Houston butchered that anthem.
But yeah… I can tell this is just all about personal experience for you. You had to deal with standing, so you feel like everyone else should to even if it’s not an explicit rule anymore. You changed from it being a rule, to it being expected of you.
I would have preferred them to be out there. But them not being out there doesn’t personally affect me at all.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:25 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I’m sorry… what? I can’t take you seriously if you think Whitney Houston butchered that anthem.
She butchered it. I heard it before but hung it became popular.
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But yeah… I can tell this is just all about personal experience for you. You had to deal with standing, so you feel like everyone else should to even if it’s not an explicit rule anymore. You changed from it being a rule, to it being expected of you.
An unwritten but understood rule. Sports are full of such things.
I never minded standing, not standing never entered my mind. It’s respect and good decision making. I wouldn’t want anyone not present and standing for my anthem so I returned the favor. I couldn’t imagine just pissing on an event or host by doing that. It would have been a diplomatic nightmare.
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I would have preferred them to be out there. But them not being out there doesn’t personally affect me at all.
That’s speaks volumes about your moral compass needing adjustment.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 12:11 am to Smokeyone
Jesus dude. Write a letter or something 
Posted on 4/6/22 at 1:13 am to Smokeyone
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Host a library for a former president vs not attending the national anthem…. Gotta love Liberaltarians.
You're acting just like the skyscreamers you claim to loathe. George HW Bush is Deep State patient zero. But this is probably coming from someone who voted for Bush, then McCain, then Romney and yet claims to be a limited government conservative.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 5:23 am to Colonel Ingus
Dawn Staley is a huge disgrace. Great coach, huge disgrace.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 6:14 am to NorthPark
Thank you for your service sir 
Posted on 4/6/22 at 6:14 am to SCLibertarian
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You're acting just like the skyscreamers you claim to loathe. George HW Bush is Deep State patient zero. But this is probably coming from someone who voted for Bush, then McCain, then Romney and yet claims to be a limited government conservative.
Liberaltarian mental gymnastics should be an Olympic sport. If anyone is approaching sky screamer level in this, it ain’t me. In a two person race you vote closest to your ideal. In state and local elections I find and support the best interest (protection) from the federal government.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:50 am to so_comfort
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One could argue that assailing a person's rights granted from the First Amendment is a greater affront to those who served and died than the act of exercising said freedoms in the first place.
So you can exercise the right to not stand, but you can't exercise the right to free speech? I thought criticizing people for disrespecting our flag and National Anthem was protected, too. I didn't realize you are only protected if you are criticizing our country.
Thanks for the clarification.
Posted on 4/6/22 at 8:53 am to GetCocky11
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You….want her to thank the United States of America? It this the Miss America contest?
Well she thanked everybody else. Is it necessary for her to thank them? No. Should she respect the country? Yes.
quote:Did he respect the National Anthem and stand for it?
Did Bill Self thank the USA when he got the trophy last night?
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