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Athletic Article on 8 vs 9 games and ESPN not paying
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:25 am
What the hell is this?
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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ESPN's deal with the SEC, which kicks in next year, is estimated to be for about $811 million per year for 10 years. It was signed prior to Oklahoma and Texas joining the conference but is believed to contain a pro rata clause that, in the event of expansion, increases the payment by an amount equal to what each school was set to get: $58 million per year per school would mean the new value of the contract would be about $927 million.
But this is where it gets thorny and where scheduling comes in.
The SEC has made the case to ESPN that this is not just two schools; this is Oklahoma and Texas. The SEC also can argue that by going to a nine-game schedule, it will provide more marquee games. For instance, Texas-Texas A&M every year, rather than twice every four years. Ditto for Alabama-Tennessee, Auburn-Georgia and other games that would be one of three annual games, rather than one in an eight-game format.
But how much more worth it that is to ESPN is unclear. If the network was bowled over by the possibility, a deal would have been announced by now.
So for the SEC schools already disposed to favor eight games, there isn't a huge financial incentive to change your vote. Let's say ESPN was offering to go over the pro rata amount a bit but not by that much. Kentucky or another school could say: Why vote for an extra conference game, which would mean one fewer home game every other year, when you get $2 to $3 million from home games with a fourth nonconference game? And yes, bowl eligibility or just having a more impressive record figures into it as well.
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Spring meetings begin May 30 in Destin. A decision does not have to be made that week theoretically, a schedule could be announced much later but at this point, people around the conference appear tired of the topic and just ready to vote.
There's still some belief that nine-game proponents will win out. Those tend to be from the more traditional powers: Alabama, Georgia and Florida are in favor, Texas A&M has been vocal in pushing for nine and so on.
But there's enough pushback from the others, not just Kentucky, that one official in the conference speculated it could end up an 8-8 tie. Then what?
Sankey has been careful not to say what he favors, but many believe he's in the nine-game category, and he could make his case in the room to the holdouts, pleading for the greater good. And that's why the belief remains that when the next SEC schedule is announced, a 2024 slate including Oklahoma and Texas, it'll be a nine-game schedule.
Probably.
Maybe.
We'll see.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:29 am to FlagshipTexasAggie
Why would ESPN pay more if they don't have to. Perhaps Greg should have read the contract.
ETA: I guarantee neither Kramer nor Slive would have left themselves with no leverage. Kramer was too powerful and Slive was too smart to let that happen.
ETA: I guarantee neither Kramer nor Slive would have left themselves with no leverage. Kramer was too powerful and Slive was too smart to let that happen.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:30 am to FlagshipTexasAggie
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And that's why the belief remains that when the next SEC schedule is announced, a 2024 slate including Oklahoma and Texas, it'll be a nine-game schedule.
The big schools will win. It’ll be 9 games & ESPN will have to pay some more.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:47 am to FlagshipTexasAggie
Maybe have the 9th game hosted on Apple or by Amazon? I know, espn has exclusive rights but, this should have been broached with them before expansion and before signing the contract.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:49 am to Bwmdx
This is where my mind went. Who is running this shite show?
How did this happen?
How did this happen?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:49 am to BevoBucks
Interesting, so the SEC pushed through this expansion that most fans don't even want based on a promise of more money, and now, according to this, the TV overlords aren't even going to pay up other than the pro-rata share which means existing teams get the same amount.
Ridiculous. Can we send Texas and Oklahoma back?
Ridiculous. Can we send Texas and Oklahoma back?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:51 am to FlagshipTexasAggie
Sounds like the SEC signed a shitty deal
Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:56 am to GumBro Jackson
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Interesting, so the SEC pushed through this expansion that most fans don't even want based on a promise of more money, and now, according to this, the TV overlords aren't even going to pay up other than the pro-rata share which means existing teams get the same amount.
Ridiculous. Can we send Texas and Oklahoma back?

Posted on 5/3/23 at 11:57 am to FlagshipTexasAggie
Sankey put all of his eggs in the ESPN basket while Kevin Warren got multiple networks to carry Big 10 games. I can't stand Warren but he lapped Sankey twice here.
ESPN's production quality and broadcast teams (besides Fowler/Herbie) are absolute gutter trash. They now have no incentive to better their product because they have a stranglehold on said product for the next decade.
ESPN basically owns the conference now. Lovely.
ESPN's production quality and broadcast teams (besides Fowler/Herbie) are absolute gutter trash. They now have no incentive to better their product because they have a stranglehold on said product for the next decade.
ESPN basically owns the conference now. Lovely.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:41 pm to VADawg
This is not my preference, but this schedule could work for a couple of years.
Every single important game would be played each year. All permanent games being discussed, plus more games like:
Alabama vs Florida
Alabama vs Georgia
Florida vs Tennessee
Florida vs Auburn
Georgia vs Texas
Georgia vs Tennessee
Auburn vs Tennessee
Auburn vs A&M
LSU vs Texas
LSU vs Oklahoma
Oklahoma vs Texas A&M
Ole Miss vs Tennessee
Arkansas vs Oklahoma
Arkansas vs A&M
Kentucky vs Tennessee
Kentucky vs Florida
South Carolina vs Georgia
There is actually a lot to like about this schedule. It isn’t ideal because it is more like 2 separate leagues, but it definitely wouldn’t suck.

Every single important game would be played each year. All permanent games being discussed, plus more games like:
Alabama vs Florida
Alabama vs Georgia
Florida vs Tennessee
Florida vs Auburn
Georgia vs Texas
Georgia vs Tennessee
Auburn vs Tennessee
Auburn vs A&M
LSU vs Texas
LSU vs Oklahoma
Oklahoma vs Texas A&M
Ole Miss vs Tennessee
Arkansas vs Oklahoma
Arkansas vs A&M
Kentucky vs Tennessee
Kentucky vs Florida
South Carolina vs Georgia
There is actually a lot to like about this schedule. It isn’t ideal because it is more like 2 separate leagues, but it definitely wouldn’t suck.
This post was edited on 5/3/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 5/3/23 at 12:47 pm to BigBro
frick that. You know who doesn't want that? Every team in the west that is actually a SEC team.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:03 pm to molsusports
Damn Texas must be scared if this is their proposal. Basically send every SEC champ of the 21st century minus LSU to the east and texas volunteer to play in the new cupcake west.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:03 pm to molsusports
like I said, it isn’t my preference either, and I understand why LSU, Ole Miss & State would be against it..
LSU Current Schedule
Alabama
A&M
Ole Miss
Miss State
Arkansas
all still played
Replace Auburn + Florida + East
with Texas + Oklahoma + Missouri
Just throwing out ideas. What is your preference?
LSU Current Schedule
Alabama
A&M
Ole Miss
Miss State
Arkansas
all still played
Replace Auburn + Florida + East
with Texas + Oklahoma + Missouri
Just throwing out ideas. What is your preference?
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:09 pm to GoldenAge
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Damn Texas must be scared
yeah, we definitely aren’t scared
that’s why I picked Georgia as the annual
I don’t want an 8 game schedule or divisions either way.. I prefer a 3/6 rotation and to play everyone.
What is your solution that works? You can put us in a division with Georgia, Alabama, LSU and whoever else you want as long as it works for everyone else.
Texas has 1 request. We want to play OU each year. Besides that, you can make the schedule whatever you want it to be
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:10 pm to VADawg
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ESPN basically owns the conference now. Lovely.
Correct. Well, technically Disney owns it I guess.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:20 pm to BigBro
Apologies, skimmed over and missed the preference piece. Right now, LSU’s current schedule consists of:
-Alabama
-auburn
-Arkansas
-Florida
-miss state
-ole miss
-TAM
-rotating east team
Ideally (and heavily biased as an LSU fan), LSU would keep our games against auburn, bama, Florida, one of A&M/Ole miss.
-Alabama
-auburn
-Arkansas
-Florida
-miss state
-ole miss
-TAM
-rotating east team
Ideally (and heavily biased as an LSU fan), LSU would keep our games against auburn, bama, Florida, one of A&M/Ole miss.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:21 pm to GumBro Jackson
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Interesting, so the SEC pushed through this expansion that most fans don't even want based on a promise of more money, and now, according to this, the TV overlords aren't even going to pay up other than the pro-rata share which means existing teams get the same amount.
Ridiculous. Can we send Texas and Oklahoma back?
So, Aggy was right? Rumors were they were the sole hold-out who wanted to vote no to expansion and only cratered when they realized it was going to be a 13-1 vote in favor of adding OUT.
Seriously though, this was still the right move in the long-run. The failure was in SEC lacking foresight regarding potential further expansion when they inked the ESPN deal. Texas would've ended up in the B1G alongside USC/UCLA had the SEC not taken the Longhorns. And as much as I hate stroking the Texas ego, that's not a brand you can allow to fall into your rival's lap. That would be a lot more money for those B1G schools over SEC schools in the years to come. See what's happening with the ACC now? FSU soon to be receiving about one third of the media dollars that Vanderbilt receives each year. We don't want to end up in a similar situation, where Alabama and Georgia jealous about Northwestern's annual B1G media revenue. It's unfortunately just the way things are in this landscape.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:30 pm to GumBro Jackson
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Interesting, so the SEC pushed through this expansion that most fans don't even want
Yep, and I think more expansion’s coming.
Posted on 5/3/23 at 1:40 pm to FlagshipTexasAggie
If this true, which I have no idea. We would be fools to give ESPN a 9th game for free. We would need to hang onto that for the next contract negotiation. BIG10 is looking pretty smart if this is true.
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