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re: Portal Extravaganza: Round 2! I’ve been twittered. The search for scout team QB continues.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:55 pm to AuburnTigers
Posted on 1/10/25 at 4:55 pm to AuburnTigers
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Is this some gotcha im missing here?
The "gotcha" that you are missing is this: the difference between an SEC starter at a ~Top 25 school who struggled (Arnold) and ~4th string quarterbacks at ~Top 25 schools (Noland/White) is massive.
Your attempted logic here is to suggest that because Arnold hasn't proven it yet, he therefore falls into the same "bucket" as players like Noland and White under the pretense that they also haven't proven it yet. Since all three "haven't proven it yet", they are therefore comparable.
But this is obviously silly, because this isn't how actual evaluation works.
And before anyone tries to argue otherwise: no, OSU did not have ~4-5 SEC-starter caliber QB's on their roster this past season (in case someone wants to try to suggest that Noland is actually amazing, but he was buried in the bestest QB room of all time). In the case of Walker White, if we are to believe Jville's evaluation, he was actually deemed to be 3 whole depth chart tiers worse than one of the worst QB's in the country (Thorne). And we know it wasn't some crazy conspiracy as to why he was sitting so far behind Thorne, because we got the chance to see him put up a dazzling 0.5 QBR performance against a ULM team that was just trying to go home. This is why depth charts matter; because Thorne put up an 85.8 QBR against that same team. That's the difference between QB1 and QB4.
Now it isn't entirely fair to judge a 2nd year player (Arnold) to two 1st year players (Noland/White), so what we can therefore do is look at Arnold's standing as a 1st year player vs. those two at comparable stages of their careers. As a 1st year player, Arnold was QB2 on a 10-win Oklahoma team and appeared in 5 regular season games, and then started in the Alamo Bowl against a 9-win Arizona team. Again, this is the player that we are comparing against Noland/White who had a combined 5 pass attempts between the two of them and were QB4/5 on their respective teams.
The gap was already clearly established in their true freshmen years, and it is important to remember that a true freshman sitting as a QB2 on a 10-win ~Top 25 team actually isn't very common. But not only was the gap already established, it has actually widened since then because Arnold has accumulated real starting experience and the other two have essentially never even played in a real game. So for the hypothetical purpose of Auburn in 2025, this really isn't even close. These are not hypothetically comparable players.
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Posted on 1/10/25 at 5:14 pm to metafour
quote:And? How is that a fricking gotcha?
The "gotcha" that you are missing is this: the difference between an SEC starter at a ~Top 25 school who struggled (Arnold) and ~4th string quarterbacks at ~Top 25 schools (Noland/White) is massive.
quote:Oh i see, youre just being a condescending bitch.
Your attempted logic
quote:I wasnt comparing anyone. I simply was talking about Arnold. I dont give a frick about yalls arguments and comparisions between those three qbs. I never mentinoed Noland, never mentioned White. Never compared any of them. So you are taking my comments about Arnold and tossing them into whatever pissing contest you and the others were having. I dont give a frick
Your attempted logic here is to suggest that because Arnold hasn't proven it yet, he therefore falls into the same "bucket" as players like Noland and White under the pretense that they also haven't proven it yet. Since all three "haven't proven it yet", they are therefore comparable.
quote:Look at this fricking essay
And before anyone tries to argue otherwise: no, OSU did not have ~4-5 SEC-starter caliber QB's on their roster this past season (in case someone wants to try to suggest that Noland is actually amazing, but he was buried in the bestest QB room of all time). In the case of Walker White, if we are to believe Jville's evaluation, he was actually deemed to be 3 whole depth chart tiers worse than one of the worst QB's in the country (Thorne). And we know it wasn't some crazy conspiracy as to why he was sitting so far behind Thorne, because we got the chance to see him put up a dazzling 0.5 QBR performance against a ULM team that was just trying to go home. This is why depth charts matter; because Thorne put up an 85.8 QBR against that same team. That's the difference between QB1 and QB4.
Now it isn't entirely fair to judge a 2nd year player (Arnold) to two 1st year players (Noland/White), so what we can therefore do is look at Arnold's standing as a 1st year player vs. those two at comparable stages of their careers. As a 1st year player, Arnold was QB2 on a 10-win Oklahoma team and appeared in 5 regular season games, and then started in the Alamo Bowl against a 9-win Arizona team. Again, this is the player that we are comparing against Noland/White who had a combined 5 pass attempts between the two of them and were QB4/5 on their respective teams.
The gap was already clearly established in their true freshmen years, and it is important to remember that a true freshman sitting as a QB2 on a 10-win ~Top 25 team actually isn't very common. But not only was the gap already established, it has actually widened since then because Arnold has accumulated real starting experience and the other two have essentially never even played in a real game. So for the hypothetical purpose of Auburn in 2025, this really isn't even close. These are not hypothetically comparable players.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:01 pm to AuburnTigers
Granted I didn’t read the whole conversation but I don’t know why it stirred everybody up that Chex said the jury is still out on Arnold.
We don’t know much about how good or bad he is. Sometimes I feel like we talk ourselves into whoever the guy is.
We don’t know much about how good or bad he is. Sometimes I feel like we talk ourselves into whoever the guy is.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:19 pm to Weagle25
quote:me either and it seems I just walked right up to the ant bed and kicked the shite outta it
Granted I didn’t read the whole conversation
quote:Given our options at Qb lately its a defense mechanism at this point
Sometimes I feel like we talk ourselves into whoever the guy is.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 6:45 pm to AuburnTigers
Arnold was an elite 5* that won just about every relevant HS award under the sun.
He wasnt coming to 5-7 Auburn unless there was some confusion and discounts into his value and fortunately a dismal Oklahoma roster provided that ticket.
He presents a higher upside than any QB since Nix. He isnt average by no means even if the results do not reflect that yet. I can live with the gamble.
He wasnt coming to 5-7 Auburn unless there was some confusion and discounts into his value and fortunately a dismal Oklahoma roster provided that ticket.
He presents a higher upside than any QB since Nix. He isnt average by no means even if the results do not reflect that yet. I can live with the gamble.
This post was edited on 1/10/25 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 1/10/25 at 7:25 pm to jangalang
Remember when someone on here told us Tennessee is as talented as Ohio state? lol
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:00 pm to AU_251
Percy Lewis to old piss
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:02 pm to jangalang
quote:based on HS rankings sure. We'll see if he pans out next year
He presents a higher upside than any QB since Nix.
Posted on 1/10/25 at 8:39 pm to AuburnTigers
He looked extremely accurate with short and intermediate passes while also showcasing a solid deep ball when he wasn't running for his life. He played awful at times, but anyone would with an offensive line that gave up 57 sacks and DBs playing receiver. Anyone acting like he'll be a guaranteed failure or some Superstar is wearing rainbow colored glasses or being a Nega-barner. We'll see what happens
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:50 pm to AuburnTigers
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based on HS rankings sure. We'll see if he pans out next year
I'm at the show me stage
I've seen this movie before
Posted on 1/10/25 at 9:53 pm to HailToTheChiz
quote:It took Payton Thorne to break my sunshine
I'm at the show me stage
I've seen this movie before
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:38 am to AuburnTigers
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:08 am to GoCrazyAuburn
The best way to describe Jackson is a combination of Patrick Mahommes, Tom Brady, Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen.
However, comparing Jackson Arnold to anyone is unfair- to Jackson.
One day there will be separate Jackson Arnold Museums in Atlanta and Canton.
No ceiling.
However, comparing Jackson Arnold to anyone is unfair- to Jackson.
One day there will be separate Jackson Arnold Museums in Atlanta and Canton.
No ceiling.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:42 am to makersmark1
Jackson Arnold is the Chuck Norris of college quarterbacks.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:44 am to makersmark1
We rolling Makers we rolling baby. Thats the spirit. Be gone with these negative thinkers.
Jackson is the "keystone" to the house we have been building for the last few years, it all falls in to place.
I like it, I like it alot.
Jackson is the "keystone" to the house we have been building for the last few years, it all falls in to place.
I like it, I like it alot.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 7:47 am to trinidadtiger
quote:As much as Percy becoming Lane's nightmare?
I like it, I like it alot.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:01 am to awestruck
They’ll have him playing like Trent Williams
Posted on 1/11/25 at 10:44 am to attalla
bullshite. Are they gonna make him do Something in a (matter of months) that his Highschool, JUCO, Miss St and the Auburn strength coaches couldn't? Show up in reasonable shape and stop trying to play yourself football shape DURING the season. Dude is a bum.
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:42 pm to Johnnycrane
We don't play them anyway right?
My only thought is I hope he has a breakout, once in a lifetime game...
Against Ga :)
So are we pretty much done?
My only thought is I hope he has a breakout, once in a lifetime game...
Against Ga :)
So are we pretty much done?
Posted on 1/13/25 at 11:01 am to higgs_boson
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