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Marriage infidelity aside, what kind of decisions and actions did you expect?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:44 am
**I want to preface this with saying that I am highly concerned about the direction of the program even before the rumors came to light. 6-7 is unacceptable. The assistant coaches Harsin hired leaving are concerning. Recruiting is not where it needs to be. I get it. Harsin probably isn't going to last at Auburn no matter what. But...
Everything I've read regarding criticism of Harsin's management of the program has come across as cry baby bullshite that is expected when someone literally tries to change the culture of an SEC program.
He's running players off. Getting rid of assistants. Ignoring "BBQ" buddies and "Auburn men." Changing up how things are done.
Head coaches are CEOs. Have you ever known a CEO to take care of the feelings of employees when that CEO wants them to leave the company? CEOs don't do the firing. HR does. Having assistant coaches encourage players to leave IS probably the most compassionate way to do it. These assistants get to know the players on a personal level. Head coaches aren't their friend. Closest thing to a mentor the players will have are their position coaches. Seems like the position coaches should be the ones to advise them on their future trajectory.
Cornelius Williams was an atrocious wide receivers coach. Harsin fired him early. Are we really going to look back and say it wasn't warranted when our receivers literally started improving after he was gone?
Sorry but this reeks of good ole boys getting butthurt that Harsin was taking an outsider's approach and changing up the way things are done. Perhaps for the worst, perhaps for the better.
Saban did the same shite when he got to Alabama. You think Saban didn't meticulously comb through every grey hair of that program and then heartlessly remove them from the area? From influential boosters to the custodians - everyone's arse was puckered his first year there.
Now, I admit, Saban at least had the ethos established to act in such a manner. And his recruiting prowess was already unmatched and showed up immediately. But former players and Gus recruits talking about their fricking feelings has to be the softest fairy-puss bullshite I've ever read from an Auburn story. Of course they're going to be upset.
So what did you expect to happen behind the scenes when cutting the fat? You think he's supposed to go to every charity golf tournament just because it's a former Auburn guy? Get real.
Everything I've read regarding criticism of Harsin's management of the program has come across as cry baby bullshite that is expected when someone literally tries to change the culture of an SEC program.
He's running players off. Getting rid of assistants. Ignoring "BBQ" buddies and "Auburn men." Changing up how things are done.
Head coaches are CEOs. Have you ever known a CEO to take care of the feelings of employees when that CEO wants them to leave the company? CEOs don't do the firing. HR does. Having assistant coaches encourage players to leave IS probably the most compassionate way to do it. These assistants get to know the players on a personal level. Head coaches aren't their friend. Closest thing to a mentor the players will have are their position coaches. Seems like the position coaches should be the ones to advise them on their future trajectory.
Cornelius Williams was an atrocious wide receivers coach. Harsin fired him early. Are we really going to look back and say it wasn't warranted when our receivers literally started improving after he was gone?
Sorry but this reeks of good ole boys getting butthurt that Harsin was taking an outsider's approach and changing up the way things are done. Perhaps for the worst, perhaps for the better.
Saban did the same shite when he got to Alabama. You think Saban didn't meticulously comb through every grey hair of that program and then heartlessly remove them from the area? From influential boosters to the custodians - everyone's arse was puckered his first year there.
Now, I admit, Saban at least had the ethos established to act in such a manner. And his recruiting prowess was already unmatched and showed up immediately. But former players and Gus recruits talking about their fricking feelings has to be the softest fairy-puss bullshite I've ever read from an Auburn story. Of course they're going to be upset.
So what did you expect to happen behind the scenes when cutting the fat? You think he's supposed to go to every charity golf tournament just because it's a former Auburn guy? Get real.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:55 am to StringedInstruments
Yeah, you're wrong. Not going to bother dissecting your whole post when one of the first things you just said was that he was "ignoring BBQ buddies". He was literally dead-set on hiring his friend Zak Hill as OC, despite the fact that he was marred in an ongoing NCAA investigation. After our compliance department blocked him from making that move, Arizona State ultimately fired him for recruiting violations soon after. So he was on his way to hire an OC that to anyone with a functioning brain knew was completely unhireable. Then, he "vetted" and hired an OC that had so many personal problems that he had to resign ~3 weeks on the job.
Your post is hilariously misinformed. He was quick to fire Cornelius Williams (for what?) and yet he promoted Bert Watts to Assistant HC after a season in which his special teams were beyond horrendous, and his recruiting was even worse (seriously, he couldn't get traction anywhere at his position). So is this about doing your job, or not? Is recruiting part of the job?
Your post is hilariously misinformed. He was quick to fire Cornelius Williams (for what?) and yet he promoted Bert Watts to Assistant HC after a season in which his special teams were beyond horrendous, and his recruiting was even worse (seriously, he couldn't get traction anywhere at his position). So is this about doing your job, or not? Is recruiting part of the job?
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:56 am to StringedInstruments
I think people expect that if you are going to change the culture, or whatever you want to call it, you’ve got to have a realistic plan that people can get behind to achieve success. Harsin doesn’t have that, and his hardass act isn’t going to work if no one buys in.
Many teams and company’s have suffered massive failures in times of transition because of this exact dynamic.
Of course, maybe Harsin has outsmarted everyone, and the recruiting will turn around, and the wins will come, or he will out coach everyone even without the talent. That’s just not a plan that anyone is going to buy into at the moment.
Many teams and company’s have suffered massive failures in times of transition because of this exact dynamic.
Of course, maybe Harsin has outsmarted everyone, and the recruiting will turn around, and the wins will come, or he will out coach everyone even without the talent. That’s just not a plan that anyone is going to buy into at the moment.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:56 am to StringedInstruments
Good luck to some no name guy that thinks he can walk into a much bigger program than he’s ever dealt with and start swinging his dick around with absolutely nothing to back it up. I agree Auburn’s program needs fixing aside from the coach, but a guy like Harsin ain’t going to be the one to do it. I’m not really sure why any of us would expect that approach to work with someone with no clout.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:08 am to StringedInstruments
I bet you also thought it was okay for Saban to step over a convulsing player (Jeno James at practice. He was Captain of the ship am I right?
Fact of the matter is Tuberville gave Bama the thumb, so Bama fans were desperate and Saban walked in as a championship HC (LSU) and 92,000 fans and boosters at spring practice were ready to crown him king. He received no resistance whatsoever.
And his recruitment after that horrible first year was phenomenal.
Fact of the matter is Tuberville gave Bama the thumb, so Bama fans were desperate and Saban walked in as a championship HC (LSU) and 92,000 fans and boosters at spring practice were ready to crown him king. He received no resistance whatsoever.
And his recruitment after that horrible first year was phenomenal.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:11 am to StringedInstruments
I think absolutely nothing will happen.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:14 am to StringedInstruments
I expect a bad season next year. How/who are details still to be determined
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:19 am to GambitAUfan
We are set up for a 1998 scenario next season, a lot of parallels
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:32 am to metafour
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ignoring BBQ buddies
I was referring to Auburn good ole boys. Not Harsin’s people.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:43 am to StringedInstruments
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I was referring to Auburn good ole boys. Not Harsin’s people.
Auburn's good ole boys are the ONLY reason why his recruiting class was even semi-acceptable. Again, you have a major problem when Trovon Reed - who has never coached a day in his life - is your ~3rd best recruiter, and he's running laps around guys on the on-field staff who are being promoted and put into positions of authority. Do you understand that Zac Etheridge, an Auburn hero and our BEST recruiter, was seriously fielding offers from other P5 schools after Mason left? Why do you think that was?
Has is gone through your head that Auburn has people in place who know a HELL of a lot more about this landscape than Harsin does? The perception of important HS coaches in this region is that he's a joke - good luck recruiting. The Georgia HS event is 100% Harsin's entire personality flaw in a nutshell - he sends Etheridge there when Kirby Smart is there himself. There was another HS event where Harsin came, delivered a speech, and left. Meanwhile Saban stayed after and had dinner with the coaches in attendance. One guy knows how to recruit, the other doesn't and thinks he has some magic formula where he can "out-culture" you on the field and therefore recruiting success is trivial.
Harsin treats this like it's an NFL Head Coaching job. This isn't the NFL; 75% of this job is playing politics and rubbing elbows with the right people. You can't recruit otherwise.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:49 am to metafour
Ill entertain you. In your opinion, what happens and when?
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 11:55 am to StringedInstruments
I didn’t read the wall of words.
I’ll say this about Harsin and the infidelity though. No one cares where a coach puts his dick unless you drag into the AD and put the university in liability territory. Same reason why Patrino lost his job at Arkansas.
If his side piece isn’t involved in the AD, they can’t do anything to him with cause.
I’ll say this about Harsin and the infidelity though. No one cares where a coach puts his dick unless you drag into the AD and put the university in liability territory. Same reason why Patrino lost his job at Arkansas.
If his side piece isn’t involved in the AD, they can’t do anything to him with cause.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:06 pm to StringedInstruments
I don't see how he possibly recruits well enough to keep up with the rest of the SEC at this point. As a player or a player's parent, if you are top 10-15 at your position in the country, why would you possibly come to Auburn right now unless you grew up a fan?
I agree changing the culture is hard, but you have to get buy-in from others.
I agree changing the culture is hard, but you have to get buy-in from others.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:41 pm to AUCE05
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Ill entertain you. In your opinion, what happens and when?
I think they settle on a reduced buyout. I don't think there's enough to get him out "for cause", but Harsin's tenure here has been problematic.
For the millionth time; the "affair" nonsense came from some Discord server and supposedly stemmed from players on the team. This is NOT what the meanie BOT are trying to get him out on. This was NOT started by Auburn writers, nor has it ever been the angle that is being played out in their investigation.
The investigation entirely revolves around his treatment of players, staff, and administration.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:05 pm to StringedInstruments
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Sorry but this reeks of good ole boys getting butthurt that Harsin was taking an outsider's approach and changing up the way things are done. Perhaps for the worst, perhaps for the better.
I wish I could agree with you. But the staffing hires have been abysmal. You cannot tell me those are about changing a culture when those are the guys you brought in.
And if the stuff about skipping big high school events and other community activities is true, that just shows he really does not "get" it.
Still, I was okay with letting him ride or die by his choices. But I am sorry, the situation has changed. Going forward, we either have a wounded coach or are starting over again.
Neither is a good option but I think the sooner we part ways the better. I find it hard to believe he would not be looking for any escape hatch after this. I certainly would not blame him, the personal attacks alone would justify it.
However, there also needs to be some real accountability for the way this went down.
This whole thing sets football back, but with the portal it could recover more quickly. This all hurts AU's image, but the problem is not perception --- it is the reality.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:20 pm to metafour
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Harsin treats this like it's an NFL Head Coaching job. This isn't the NFL; 75% of this job is playing politics and rubbing elbows with the right people. You can't recruit otherwise.
Jimbo and his wallet say hey......
NIL has changed the recruiting landscape forever, a paradigm shift, a seismic shift, call it what you may. A kid getting 50 grand in his pocket versus his high school coach telling him to go to another school, might just make the kid question if the coach had a vested/financial interest in him going to another school.
Jimbo got SEVERAL players out of Florida....and he didnt fly in to have dinner with the coaches, he paid the players.
This ole school mentality is why we got our arses handed to us in recruiting.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:25 pm to StringedInstruments
I think the problem is that Harsin is trying to act like a Saban, but
1) He hasn’t developed a winning recruiting strategy
2) He won games at Boise, but this is the SEC. He doesn’t have the record to command respect and buy-in like Saban did.
Having said that, if this is all really about recruiting and Harsin’s personality, there was no need to leak vile rumors and suggest improprieties. Personally, I think everyone with a hand in the football program has failed. A lot of people trying to control the program, but no one is actually leading or showing a clear roadmap to success. Say it’s just the business or whatever, but the way he has been railroaded is just plain wrong, and that’s exactly what this is. It’s professionally wrong, it’s bad for the players and the program’s reputation.
1) He hasn’t developed a winning recruiting strategy
2) He won games at Boise, but this is the SEC. He doesn’t have the record to command respect and buy-in like Saban did.
Having said that, if this is all really about recruiting and Harsin’s personality, there was no need to leak vile rumors and suggest improprieties. Personally, I think everyone with a hand in the football program has failed. A lot of people trying to control the program, but no one is actually leading or showing a clear roadmap to success. Say it’s just the business or whatever, but the way he has been railroaded is just plain wrong, and that’s exactly what this is. It’s professionally wrong, it’s bad for the players and the program’s reputation.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:28 pm to metafour
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For the millionth time; the "affair" nonsense came from some Discord server and supposedly stemmed from players on the team.
Im not trying to say Auburn people started the affair rumor. However, do you think it’s possible that the “investigation” stuff was released right after that rumor on purpose? Or is Harsin just incredibly unlucky that both rumors were spread at the exact same time?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:39 pm to Skyler97
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Im not trying to say Auburn people started the affair rumor. However, do you think it’s possible that the “investigation” stuff was released right after that rumor on purpose? Or is Harsin just incredibly unlucky that both rumors were spread at the exact same time?
There is no way it was a coincidence. Harsin goes on vacation, and immediately rumors start flying. Someone or some group is feeding information and rumors to stir the pot and create controversy. And if you add things up, it’s not hard to see that these are the same people that vouched for Steele and fought Harsin’s hire. And maybe Harsin isn’t the right guy, but there is absolutely no way to tell that after 14 months on the job.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 2/6/22 at 6:46 pm to DyeHardDylan
I mean I have no idea. I don’t know anything about the inner workings and I never pretend to. But if Harsin went to Mexico, then two entirely separate rumors with no connection start basically on the same day, that’s really unlucky lol
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 6:47 pm
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