re: Malzahn is a one trick pony

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ST Coaches are responsible for blocking for punts/FGs, coverage on kickoffs & punts and the mental stability of K/P

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Well if that is the case, Fountain hasn't been that bad then. Eschew the punt return against UGA and our special teams have been decent at worst, a strength at best. Somehow, it seems like our returners are always in the top in the country at punt and kick returns even though we hardly ever return one for a TD. And, mostly, we usually don't give up a lot of return yards on either punts or kickoffs.

Not sure about the formula but according to this site, we had the 14th most efficient special teams in the country up to the Georgia game.
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Our special teams have become atrocious compared to when Boulware was here. And that is a fact. If you cannot see how much worse we are then that is on you.

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What metrics are you using to measure these so called facts? From football outsiders here are our special teams efficiency

Boulware
@ Auburn
2009 - 82nd
2010 - 60th
2011 - 3rd
2012 - 21st

@ Oklahoma
2013 - 37th
2014 - 19th
2015 - 98th

Fountain
2013 - 7th
2014 - 89th
2015 - 14th

2014 was atrocious but outside of that we have performed well under Fountain. Also Boulware is putting up a pretty terrible season at Oklahoma right now.

And as recruiters? Scott Fountain seems to have the edge there

Boulware 247 profile
Fountain 247 profile

Like I said we can bitch about a lot of things but ST has not tanked since Gus & Fountain arrived. Both guys are solid ST coaches but I am honestly way more happy with Fountain than Boulware as at least Fountain is a solid recruiter

It is plain as day. Any coach could tell you we are worse on ST now as opposed to then. You can look at the trends at Auburn and see that Boulware was improving ST and Fountain has been letting them slack. I don't have hard numbers nor am I taking the time to look them up but we are playing more starters on ST now then we have in a while.

Do you honestly think Garner is the best recruiter at Auburn? Because 247 seems to think so.

You are talking out of your arse and using made up numbers to make it fit.

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I don't have hard numbers nor am I taking the time to look them up but we are playing more starters on ST now then we have in a while.

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So this is what you use to measure the success of a ST coach? That's a strange metric....

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Do you honestly think Garner is the best recruiter at Auburn? Because 247 seems to think so.

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What do you mean by best recuiter at Auburn? Like on staff? Or like ever? Or of any DL coach we have had? Garner is a solid recruiter. His DL class this year has definitely been a disappointment but we are still in hunt for some big names so I withhold judgement till then.

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You are talking out of your arse and using made up numbers to make it fit.

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You should read this site, might learn some things

Again I am not saying Fountain is better or Boulware is better. All I am saying is our ST haven't become utter shite under Fountain. We struggled last season overall as a unit but we have seen improvement this season. I understand the melt but why not point it towards something more melt worthy? You know like the lack of QB development, going away from the run too early or the inability for our #1 WR to make a play late in a game

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I was using to show a false sense of success. More starters and less role players usually means more talent on ST.

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That's still a weird argument to me but whatever. Don't even know if it is true in the first place but even if it is, I want the best guys at whatever position we are doing so not sure why it is a knock on Fountain for playing our top guys.

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You linked Boulware's & Fountain's 247 recruiting rankings to try to prove that Fountain was better. I showed that is crap because it has Garner as our best recruiter. And Garner, Fountain, and Horton as being better recruiters than T-rob and Craig.

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I think you are confused on their rankings. Those recruiting rankings on side are for the current class. So because Marlon Davidson is currently committed Garner looks better than Craig. Ignore the National Rank stuff as that is for this season just check out the lists of guys they have each helped signed. It is pretty obvious from that Fountain has a stronger track record to this point.

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Our ST are becoming shite and it is obvious. A change here is not difficult to make.

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Just because you say it doesn't make it true

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Metrics are highly overrated.

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Says the guy that blindly states things as fact. I agree they aren't perfect but they do lend insight into the success of teams. Plus only one of us has actually given numbers to back up our argument.

It's obvious we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I get we all need a scapegoat I just find Fountain as a very odd choice is all

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This started last year. Book mark this: Malzahn will be fired at the end of next season. It's not going to get any better with next year's schedule. The man is lost. The only thing that I see salvaging it for Malzahn is if by some miracle he goes out and finds another Juco qb and Muschamp has a shut down defense next year. I in no way see them winning 9 games next year unless a miracle from God happens. Jay Jacobs will have to go first. No way he gets to hire another football coach. Jacobs will retire.

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This is a funny thread, thanks for reminding me to bookmark

Meh, OP wasn't wrong. Gus got really stale and predictable. The switch to Rhett saved this program.

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Gus got really stale and predictable. The switch to Rhett saved this program.

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As fans, we weren't wrong based off what we had to go off of. I'm pretty sure had Gus kept calling the plays, we sure as heck wouldn't be sitting near the top 10 right now. In fact, we'd probably all still want to see him go at season's end. The gamble to let Rhett take over has paid off big time. Maybe Gus didn't see it as a gamble, but then you wonder why he didn't give up play calling sooner.

Someone mentioned in another thread that Gus gets none of the credit and all of the blame from fans. I'd say thats pretty close to true. I'd say there's got to be a middle ground somewhere.