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Loyalty to AU and current players ...
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:31 am
With the rumors currently floating whether truthful or not, these players have benefited by AU giving them an opportunity to display their talents. They owe Auburn for the opportunity provided; not the inverse. PT is earned not given. These are not children, rather 18-22 year old young men. To bolt from the program at this point gives us a real glimpse at their character. If anything they should be clamoring for an opportunity to show the new HC that they have the capabilities to remain and contribute on the team and compete for starting positions. I’ve feared this to be true about many Malzahn recruits; quite frankly most seem soft and under developed. Unable to compete against the higher echelons of SEC programs. That said, many may be better suited in lower tier programs. The chances of those seeking NFL careers on the current roster would be better off remaining for another year. There are no dominant players on this squad. AU must build from the ground up with those that have the commitment and capacity to represent Auburn University as it should be. Going forward there is no “I” it is “we” as a collective. Get on board or get left behind. It’s that easy.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 10:33 am
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:35 am to Luke
The We rah rah stuff is good but everyone of those guys are facing the ‘I’ question right now. We is about winning games etc but It is about whether you can handle it. This coach will bring a culture change and all these kids have to answer personal questions on whether they can handle it.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:44 am to Luke
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There are no dominant players on this squad.
I agree with the sentiment in general, but this statement is not true. Tank is and will continue to be a dominant player. By all accounts, he worked very hard on the field, in the weight room, and in the class room . That's part of the reason why I do not believe the rumors of him transferring until he says it himself. He seems to be the type that understands what commitment means and embraces it. Plus Harsin has produced 1,000 yard rushers for over a decade straight, so Tank should be salivating for this offense.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:50 am to Luke
Look. We don't owe anyone a thing. Neither does a coach or player owe AU something. Outside of Tank, there isn't anyone on the team that can get us where we want to go. Gus did a really poor job at talent evaluation. Let these guys go to Troy or some other directional school and let our new staff start building a foundation so we can actually enjoy CFB again. I don't want any coaches or players that lost to USCe and Will Muschamp.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 10:57 am to Luke
OP, has someone new opted out? Or are you talking about Schwartz, Tutt and Sherwood?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:33 am to AUstar
Happening at most schools. Look at Florida yesterday.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:38 am to allin2010
The opting out thing is just a result of the rules/culture changing in favor of players. Most of us watched or played in an era where you didn't quit on your team, but we accepted coaches doing it all the time. We were ok when players scholarships were pulled do to injury or underperforming, etc...
Like it or not players are more aware of their value than in the past. They don't fear the NFL holding them accountable for a decision not to play in a bowl, especially since a system has been created that renders almost every single bowl as an exhibition. In truth they all were anyways, but the pre-BCS days at least had an allusion that the games mattered.
I don't care for the opting out, but I also don't mind a player making the choice if its in his best interest. Schools and coaches have been making choices in their best interest for generations.
Like it or not players are more aware of their value than in the past. They don't fear the NFL holding them accountable for a decision not to play in a bowl, especially since a system has been created that renders almost every single bowl as an exhibition. In truth they all were anyways, but the pre-BCS days at least had an allusion that the games mattered.
I don't care for the opting out, but I also don't mind a player making the choice if its in his best interest. Schools and coaches have been making choices in their best interest for generations.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 11:55 am to Luke
Unless they want to play with their teammates one more time before they go, I don’t care if they opt out.
They already gave the University 3 years. If they have kept their nose clean and played hard then good luck. Let the younger guys play and get experience.
Bowl games don’t mean anything unless your in the playoffs, school already got the payout and these are just glorified exhibition games.
Relax boomers.
They already gave the University 3 years. If they have kept their nose clean and played hard then good luck. Let the younger guys play and get experience.
Bowl games don’t mean anything unless your in the playoffs, school already got the payout and these are just glorified exhibition games.
Relax boomers.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:10 pm to Luke
Yeah, college men's sports are slowly eroding into garbage. I'd rather see a farm system set up for the NFL and let's get back to the true student-athlete model.
That's what these kids don't get. I'm not coming to watch them play, I'm coming to watch Auburn play.
That's what these kids don't get. I'm not coming to watch them play, I'm coming to watch Auburn play.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:20 pm to Luke
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With the rumors currently floating whether truthful or not, these players have benefited by AU giving them an opportunity to display their talents. They owe Auburn for the opportunity provided; not the inverse. PT is earned not given. These are not children, rather 18-22 year old young men. To bolt from the program at this point gives us a real glimpse at their character. If anything they should be clamoring for an opportunity to show the new HC that they have the capabilities to remain and contribute on the team and compete for starting positions. I’ve feared this to be true about many Malzahn recruits; quite frankly most seem soft and under developed. Unable to compete against the higher echelons of SEC programs. That said, many may be better suited in lower tier programs. The chances of those seeking NFL careers on the current roster would be better off remaining for another year. There are no dominant players on this squad. AU must build from the ground up with those that have the commitment and capacity to represent Auburn University as it should be. Going forward there is no “I” it is “we” as a collective. Get on board or get left behind. It’s that easy.
I undrstand what you're saying but this old school thinking and these kids and the football landscape for college players is changing.
Too many other opportunities at their disposal to give them options that THEY think give them either more playing time, or a fresh start, or just an option to go to the NFL when available to them..
Most fail...some make it barely( just look at Barber at RB), some come out great (Slayton).
We've all said, with these guys for sure, they should have stayed...but in the end looks like they made the right decision.
Those that transfer to other schools seem to end up just getting more playing time, but didn't help them in NFL drafting...But hey maybe that is how they want to end their careers...
These guys 99% don't play past college so this is the end of that life they have loved for all their younger days...I can't argue with any of their decisions...really.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:21 pm to Luke
Tldr
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:21 pm to slacker130
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I'd rather see a farm system set up for the NFL
I would too, but it wont happen. Why would NFL invest in that when they get it for free from CFB?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:28 pm to Luke
College sports has been crumbling for a while. This is another step towards its abolishment. These players and parents have no clue what they are doing to the sport. Of course they can only see the right now and don’t care about the future of the sport itself.
I want to add that colleges, NCAA and others are at fault too.
I want to add that colleges, NCAA and others are at fault too.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:48 pm to AUstar
The NFL literally inquired about starting their own farm system league and the NCAA threw a fit. A good bit of casual fans check out NCAA football and basketball to see future stars.
You take that away and money and tv contracts will be affected. That was the NCAA’s own findings. Don’t pretend it’s only about amateurism.
You take that away and money and tv contracts will be affected. That was the NCAA’s own findings. Don’t pretend it’s only about amateurism.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 12:59 pm to Luke
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these players have benefited by AU giving them an opportunity to display their talents.
This argument would be the equivalent of my employer making me an unpaid intern and rationalizing it with "We are giving you an opportunity to get exposure/build your resume"
There iss a reason why so much money is spent on recruiting/bagmen, it is because recruits/players have more value/leverage.
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They owe Auburn for the opportunity provided; not the inverse
Auburn Athletics made about $150mil in revenue the other year. If AU just put walkon quality players on the field for the next 5 years, I guarantee you we wouldn't make $150mil anymore
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To bolt from the program at this point gives us a real glimpse at their character.
These kids have only a limited number of years left to play football, once they pack it up, it is over. It shows your character if you are judging someone for trying to find their best fit to continue enjoying this game.
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That said, many may be better suited in lower tier programs.
So if they aren't fit for Auburn, why are you upset/judging them for going to a place where they are a better fit? Why are you blaming them for Malzahn's recruiting/eval failures?
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:19 pm to Luke
I showed loyalty when I paid to graduate tbh
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:27 pm to Luke
I’m kinda torn on the subject.... AU spent a lot of scholarship money, and ways to take care of their families, so yeah it’d be nice to have them around.
But at the same time I can see why some of them leave so they find a better fit, and more publicity for the next level.
But at the same time I can see why some of them leave so they find a better fit, and more publicity for the next level.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 1:57 pm to slacker130
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Yeah, college men's sports are slowly eroding into garbage. I'd rather see a farm system set up for the NFL and let's get back to the true student-athlete model.
That's what these kids don't get. I'm not coming to watch them play, I'm coming to watch Auburn play.
You say this confidently, but I'd bet your opinion would change once you saw the actual "fruits" of your wishes. Athletics are followed because people are interested in watching the best of the best play. Nobody is paying money or time to watch me and my friends play basketball or any other sport.
Really...you're coming to watch Auburn play, and not the players? So hypothetically we cut all funding to the program, leave the SEC and join Conference USA, trade in our ~$10+ mill coaching/support staff for a $2 mill staff, replace all of our SEC players with guys who are just happy to "put on the Auburn jersey" - and you're going to be here every Saturday, posting away all week on forums, attending the games and being invested? Maybe you're in the 5% who would do that - or maybe you just think you would, but would come to learn that "college football" isn't as much fun as you think it is once it's Josh and Trevor from your Econ class suiting up to play and not two freak athletes who are stopping-over before becoming professional athletes.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 2:06 pm to slacker130
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That's what these kids don't get. I'm not coming to watch them play, I'm coming to watch Auburn play.
You ain't coming to watch Haley Center, Foy Union, and Comer Hall play. Auburn is whatever the student athletes, coaches, and staff are and that changes with each generation. Understand that and save yourself some stress. Or watch old videos of AU football.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:22 pm to Rhino5
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I can see why some of them leave so they find a better fit, and more publicity for the next level.
No doubt this is true and I understand, but it is still hurting football in the long run. You will see it start with smaller colleges dissolve football programs, and then it will work its way up. It can’t survive because what made college football unique is the small/medium college programs. It’s what I love about CFB as a whole.
How much fun do we have seeing BAMA (beside the rivalry factor, Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, ND in the CFB playoffs every year? It’s boring for me. I still watch and enjoy the elite football being played but it’s not something I’m invested in and of something else comes up I will be doing that instead of the game.
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