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Draft position: Jabari #1? Kessler first round?

Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:53 am
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:53 am
Flanagan? Will he get drafted.
Posted by Luke
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:01 am to
Flanagan might end up in the G league if lucky.
Posted by auburnnyc94
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:04 am to
Not this year. Hopefully next year.
Posted by Skyler97
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:36 am to
I don’t think Jabari goes number one if draft was today. There’s a been a couple games that’s exposed him a bit as a finisher.

Kessler def goes round 1 IMO. He’s a once in every 5-10 years type of shot blocker
Posted by auburnnyc94
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:50 am to
Chet was trending towards number one. Then he played a good opponent again and looked like he did earlier in the season against better competition. Meanwhile Jabari scored 27 points against an elite defense on the road. I don't think anybody is gonna pass on Jabari but guess it might depend on who wins lottery and what they need.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 8:54 am to
Chet lol, I'm skinny and I could body that dude all day
Posted by Skyler97
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:05 am to
I mean I want Jabari to go 1 but i can understand the hesitancy in taking a guy shooting less than 45% from 2 point range. Some of this is due to him taking some tough post shots, but it’s very clear that he has a legit weakness as a finisher around the rim. However, all of the big three prospects have weaknesses and overall the class is pretty weak at the top as the top 3 guys in this class would probably be closer to top 5 in another class, so teams may lean a bit more towards a mixture of NBA readiness and potential which I do think Jabari has the best mix of. I really do worry about his finishing though.
Posted by HDAU
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:06 am to
Jabari top 5, Kessler first round, and Flanigan comes back for one more year with his dad. Could have a much more mature but definitely different lineup next year if we only lose Jabari, Kessler, and Zep from our first 10. In high school if somebody fumbled a lot our coach would make him carry a ball around campus all day and he better not let somebody steal the ball from him. Would love to see Pearl do the same with Green and KD in the offseason. Dribble around campus under control and know what is going on around you at all times.
Posted by auburnnyc94
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:11 am to
I think Jabari has both the highest floor and highest ceiling in this class. Obvious concerns with his ball handling and ability to finish through contact around the rim but those are things you can grow into. KD and Brandon Ingram are good examples he can look to in that regard.

You can’t teach his shooting ability, you can’t teach his natural defensive ability, and you can’t teach his competitive fire. That’s why he will go 1 or at worst 2.
Posted by wareaglepete
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:26 am to
As it stands today, I think Jabari is top 3. That could change as the season finishes out. I think Kessler has a good chance to go 1st round just based on his defense and rebounding alone. That position could also improve. I hope these two guys just absolutely raise their play even more and take over the tournament.
Posted by AA7
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:31 am to
I think he goes #1 too. Like you said, his weaknesses are all things that are teachable and the NBA game is so spread out that he will have more drive opportunities. Banchero and Holmgren are likely never going to develop the jumper he has.

Another thing that I think is underrated about Jabari is his basketball IQ. His ability to get and see when guys are in a compromised defensive position and take advantage of it is what you would expect from a senior.
Posted by AA7
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:34 am to
For Kessler I think it boils down to do teams think he can develop his 3 ball enough. Unless you are on the level of Gobert defensively, you have to be able to knock down a 3 if you want significant minutes.
Posted by TemperdTiger
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Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:34 am to
I like Jabari, but I'm sure some NBA analysts will find a few faults, like physicality that they'll want. He does have that NBA step back jumper down to a tee though, and when open he seems to get most of his 3s
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:36 am to
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I don’t think Jabari goes number one if draft was today.


I've listened to numerous NBA podcasts where they all talk about how they think Jabari is their #1 and is definitely in contention depending who gets the pick

quote:

find a few faults, like physicality that they'll want


The NBA always believes they can fix a lot of things. Jabari's flaws all are things that are reasonably fixable too

- Size/Skinny --> NBA believes S&C he will fill out
- Physicality --> He plays hard but just not big enough
- Handle --> Guys like BOS' Tatum examples of improvement
- TOs --> Young player


The thing is too that Jabari is grading out at near 100% for a #1 for intangibles like 'coachability,' 'give a sh!t' and 'work ethic'


It makes NBA teams more confident that he will reach his ceiling
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 9:41 am
Posted by AA7
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:38 am to
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when open he seems to get most of his 3s

It may not seem like it because he doesn’t shoot the same volume but Jabari has a better 3pt% than Bryce did his last (and best) year.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:43 am to
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It may not seem like it because he doesn’t shoot the same volume but Jabari has a better 3pt% than Bryce did his last (and best) year.




That's because Bryce sucked at shooting 3s to start every year, it was bordering on absurd. Typically, guys shoot slightly worse in SEC play due to competition (i.e. Jabari going from 42->40% 3FG) Bryce shot better in SEC play every year at AU

Bryce Overall vs SEC 3FG%

2016 - 37% ovr / 39% SEC
2017 - 40% ovr / 47% SEC
2018 - 38% ovr / 43% SEC
2019 - 41% ovr / 43% SEC
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 9:45 am
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:50 am to
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I've listened to numerous NBA podcasts where they all talk about how they think Jabari is their #1 and is definitely in contention depending who gets the pick


I mean I never said he wasn’t in contention lol. But in general he looked like the consensus number one pick a month ago based on mock drafts I saw, now I am seeing him at 2 and 3 more often but still seeing him at 1 as well. Like I said, the draft is weak at the top and none of the big 3 would be the number one pick in a normal year so I think it’s gonna be pretty unpredictable in terms of who goes first. I bet there will not really be a consensus amongst GMs and it will likely be based around how the bottom 3 (magic, pistons, rockets) feel like the pick matches up with their current planned core.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 9:56 am to
A couple of sites do NBA draft mock consensus pulling from other sites and Jabari is 1 on those by a decent margin. I follow this pretty closely and it seems like Holmgren and Jabari are viewed as a tier of their own and Paolo has fallen back to the next group with Jaden Ivey and AJ Griffin
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:07 am to
Yea I follow it pretty close as well, maybe the fan scouting perception of him is lower than that of the scouts. I do think that the majority of teams in the league as a whole would take him first, I just think that the particular teams that are contending for the first pick could also really use someone like Chet if he develops well which is obviously the biggest concern with him. However I think that teams like Detroit and Orlando already have some good young wings and may wanna bolster their defense instead. However when you have the first overall pick you generally don’t wanna draft for fit except with the exception of if you have a superstar type play (Hawks w Trae picking 4th for example in 2019)
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 10:10 am to
I just hope the number one team doesnt get stuck with Greg Oden when we have our own KD.
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