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Coaches Flaming Out (Especially @ Auburn)
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:26 pm
In the board’s opinion, what are the main things that contribute to a coach flaming out? And have you ever wondered why head coaches take a step down once they leave Auburn? It’s quite interesting IMHO.
1) Dye basically forced into retirement
2) Bowden goes to Akron & La Mo
3) Tubs goes to Texas Tech, then Cincinnati only to say frick it all let me try D.C.
4) Chiz goes back and forth between SECN and being a coordinator again
5) Gus goes to Central Fla
6) Harsin is either about to retire or take a much lower tier job
1) Dye basically forced into retirement
2) Bowden goes to Akron & La Mo
3) Tubs goes to Texas Tech, then Cincinnati only to say frick it all let me try D.C.
4) Chiz goes back and forth between SECN and being a coordinator again
5) Gus goes to Central Fla
6) Harsin is either about to retire or take a much lower tier job
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 9:30 pm
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:49 pm to Hussss
For flaming out: lack of player development, lack of good assistant coaches, lack of S&C, competing against AL, FL, GA, LSU, TN for recruits. There’s probably more reasons.
Coaches take a step down most likely because they have to. What better or equivalent program is hiring a coach that was just fired for mediocre or worse performance? Trying to remember Bowden: busted for cheating and other issues. That’s not going to be a great sell to a higher level program.
Coaches take a step down most likely because they have to. What better or equivalent program is hiring a coach that was just fired for mediocre or worse performance? Trying to remember Bowden: busted for cheating and other issues. That’s not going to be a great sell to a higher level program.
Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:52 pm to Hussss
Or does it show that Auburn, in terms of success, almost always does more with less in terms of coaches?
What if Auburn finally landed that great coach to lead them to the next level?
What if Auburn finally landed that great coach to lead them to the next level?
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:15 pm to TTsTowel
There is no where to go up other than the NFL from AU. We generally outside of Bowden haven’t hired young head coaches either.
All coaches come to an end. As Tuberville said about 12 years at a school is now the max. Just becomes to stale and to predictable and rub people the wrong way over time
All coaches come to an end. As Tuberville said about 12 years at a school is now the max. Just becomes to stale and to predictable and rub people the wrong way over time
Posted on 9/30/22 at 10:24 pm to Hussss
It takes an extreme level of commitment to maintain success at the highest level in any competitive endeavor. Most football coaches flame out when they leave elite programs because it's either up to the NFL or down because you flamed out (or claim a health problem when you burn out).
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Not sure why this is getting downvotes... at a destination college program (like AU) the only upward mobility is the NFL... an entirely different game which explains top college coaches flopping there.
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There is no where to go up other than the NFL from AU.
Not sure why this is getting downvotes... at a destination college program (like AU) the only upward mobility is the NFL... an entirely different game which explains top college coaches flopping there.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:12 pm to Hussss
What % of coaches leave for greener pastures or end up fired? 98%? The other 2% are the Bobby Bowdens, Sabans, and Bears of the world
Posted on 9/30/22 at 11:28 pm to ALhunter
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Not sure why this is getting downvotes
Al hunter I could post the sky is blue and get 5 downvotes that’s why nothing to with the take and all to do with the poster. We are petty like that around here
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:19 am to Hussss
In Dye's case, he had been there 12 years and it was just time to move on in his life. Spurrier said once that you're only good at one school for about 10 years and it's time to move on.
Bowden never was too good in the first place. He won with Dye's players his first two seasons and faded after that.
Tubs was at AU for 10 years and it was time to move on. More and more teams were running spread, the HUNH was coming into fashion, and he was getting left behind.
Chizik never was good - he won because of Cam.
Gus had the same problem as Dye and Tubs - he was getting stale, the game was changing, and it was time to move on.
Harsin was just a shitshow (partly no fault of his own) and was never a fit. I suspect he'll do well somewhere else where the boosters don't hate him.
Bowden never was too good in the first place. He won with Dye's players his first two seasons and faded after that.
Tubs was at AU for 10 years and it was time to move on. More and more teams were running spread, the HUNH was coming into fashion, and he was getting left behind.
Chizik never was good - he won because of Cam.
Gus had the same problem as Dye and Tubs - he was getting stale, the game was changing, and it was time to move on.
Harsin was just a shitshow (partly no fault of his own) and was never a fit. I suspect he'll do well somewhere else where the boosters don't hate him.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:27 am to AUstar
Dye got caught up in a BS witchhunt that cost him his job..….the man had plenty of years left to coach and his time was cut short.
To say it was “time to move on his life” is not in any way accurate.
To say it was “time to move on his life” is not in any way accurate.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 7:27 am to AUstar
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Gus had the same problem as Dye and Tubs - he was getting stale, the game was changing, and it was time to move on.
Gus might have an especially valid claim for that. Didn’t they change the rules to nix the HUNH after his success?
In an era of shorter attention spans, longer commercial breaks, and concussion concerns I think forcing schools to go away from 320 lbs DT to more mobile players was probably good all around.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 8:28 am to TTsTowel
quote:Dye was a great coach, tubs was a great coach. Whats this finally crap?
What if Auburn finally landed that great coach to lead them to the next level?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:26 am to AUTubaHerd
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Gus might have an especially valid claim for that. Didn’t they change the rules to nix the HUNH after his success?
They fixed the rules regarding substituting. Big deal. There are PLENTY of offenses that still go as fast or faster than Malzahn's ever did. Go watch Tennessee; they run plays at extreme pace without substituting.
Malzahn was just a gimmick coach who's gimmick was figured out and got stale. He was also exposed for being unable to recruit or develop QB's. Without a QB, you have no offense. Once defenses figured out and took away the novelty of what he was doing, he had no answer.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:35 am to AUWDE
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To say it was “time to move on his life” is not in any way accurate.
It is somewhat accurate because, right there at the end, Coach Dye was very very ill. Hemochromatosis, I think?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:41 am to metafour
Malzahn was just a gimmick coach who's gimmick was figured out and got stale. He was also exposed for being unable to recruit or develop QB's. Without a QB, you have no offense. Once defenses figured out and took away the novelty of what he was doing, he had no answer.
Amen and well said
Amen and well said
Posted on 10/1/22 at 9:44 am to Hussss
Well said indeed. As one that wanted a downhill running attack I cannot figure out why he put so little effort into the OL. Would a McDonald’s GM be so nonchalant about ordering Hamburger buns?
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:53 am to Hussss
It's apparent we haven't hired a young up and comer looking to "further" his career. Even though the coaches have been fired/resigned AU is a destination job
Posted on 10/1/22 at 10:57 am to jangalang
And as hardheaded as we ALL thought Malzahn was, we have met our match in Harsin.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 11:02 am to jangalang
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As one that wanted a downhill running attack I cannot figure out why he put so little effort into the OL
He must’ve thought “we can just zone block and go fast.”
Meta just flat nailed it: Once something (ANYTHING) didn’t work, he had no answers. Classic PTSD (Fla St Natty) signs
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:25 pm to Hussss
I think a lot of the flame out is when Alabama gets hot honestly. We tend to be good when bama is down due to getting top in state recruits. Bowden and Malzahn are really the two that went head to head with a good bama and had success overall.
As far as stepping back, when you get a big arse check to step down at a big school, I think you have a lot of play in terms of where and how you want to coach. I don’t think that Malzahn is at UCF because it is his only option. He makes good money with no pressure and lives in a nice area of florida. Chizik get a giant check to leave and enjoys being a DC more than a head coach.
Bowden is probably our best on field coach we have ever had but he was an unlikable Shitass of a person so that hurt top recruiting that is needed now. This is pretty similar to the Tubs situation too.
As far as stepping back, when you get a big arse check to step down at a big school, I think you have a lot of play in terms of where and how you want to coach. I don’t think that Malzahn is at UCF because it is his only option. He makes good money with no pressure and lives in a nice area of florida. Chizik get a giant check to leave and enjoys being a DC more than a head coach.
Bowden is probably our best on field coach we have ever had but he was an unlikable Shitass of a person so that hurt top recruiting that is needed now. This is pretty similar to the Tubs situation too.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:54 pm to AUTubaHerd
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Didn’t they change the rules to nix the HUNH after his success?
Yep - he was at least partially responsible for that rule change ha.
You can still HUNH but it's much more difficult now.
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