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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:07 pm
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:07 pm
Discussion idea…

Do bowl games outside of the playoffs matter?

Do they matter less after the 12 team playoff?

Should they help or hurt the perception of a coaching staff in not in the playoffs?

I’ve struggled with this bowl game situation for a few years. A lot of folks judged Gus harshly over bowl losses. I struggle with it with in the fan base because of the portal and players sitting out to protect draft status and also eligibility for young players. No doubt some teams could go into bowl games with 45-50 players now and in the future.

Maybe I’m looking for someone to make me care more than just another win on the record for a bowl game.
Posted by AUmemphis
Member since Jan 2023
255 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:42 pm to
Unfortunately- for me- bowl games outside of the playoff don’t mean anything in the way they used to. Hell- there are only 2 games on New Year’s Day anymore.

I guess for underclassmen it means more practice or whatever- but it’s barely a reward anymore in the way becoming “bowl eligible” used to mean.

Now, I’m not on the chamber of some mid sized city that likes the $20 M in tourism- I’m only speaking as a fan.


I say no. Bowls are sort of obsolete in so many ways from having prestige or meaning. They mainly are the last grasp of what a season was before the long offseason.

Unfortunately- I miss the old days of college football. Even if it was rigged or had no clear winner- at least an 8-4 or 9-3 season didn’t feel like a total disappointment.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:43 pm
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15717 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:50 pm to
In our case, a bowl game matters. We did not get to go to a bowl at all last year. The year before that we went to the toilet bowl and lost. A bowl game brings the opportunity for a few additional practices and our team really needs those.
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
46199 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:52 pm to
A bowl game is nothing special.

Couldn’t ever figure out why people pointed to his bowl record. Just another game added on to his record.

They’ve never mattered to me though.
This post was edited on 12/5/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16604 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:52 pm to
I’m asking should the win or loss matter for judging a season or coaching staff
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
1689 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

Unfortunately- I miss the old days of college football. Even if it was rigged or had no clear winner- at least an 8-4 or 9-3 season didn’t feel like a total disappointment.


I too prefer the "old days". Different and unique matchups - tho the conference tie-ins could make some repeats...

Between having so many and the emphasis on the playoffs, my interest has waned.

and as an UGA friend said, if more players keep opting out, so will the fans..

just my $0.02
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
26711 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:05 pm to
quote:

Do bowl games outside of the playoffs matter?

No… unless you lose
Posted by AUmemphis
Member since Jan 2023
255 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

I’m asking should the win or loss matter for judging a season or coaching staff


Double edged sword- they don’t matter, kids opt out- but dammit you better be competitive.

If we lose and end up with 7 losses versus 7 wins- yes- it will matter. It will be the difference in more misery versus a less bitter taste. In time it won’t matter- but it will until “better days come.”

For me, I think the answer is subjective and depends on the individual season.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15717 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:16 pm to
[quote]should the win or loss matter when judging a season or coaching staff?[/

Probably not. It matters more how a team does in conference play than in a bowl game vs a team they will never play against in the regular season. What interests me is in using bowl games to evaluate other teams/coaching staff. I have noticed that a lot of teams seem to have a winning record in a minor conference. The win/loss numbers look deceptively good. A bowl game against a decent team can clarify the situation.
Posted by atwitsendAU
Shizuoka, Japan
Member since Jul 2023
1015 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 10:29 pm to
LRB1967 - How you feeling, baw? Any updates - everything okay? Sorry if I missed an update somewhere. Been thinking about you and wondering how you were doing. Hope all is better / well.
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15717 posts
Posted on 12/5/23 at 11:42 pm to
Thanks so much for asking! Flu is slacking up a bit. Fever is down. I have been getting some new meds for the blood clots but am not sure if they have started working yet. I am deeply grateful for all of the thoughts and prayers from our Auburn baws. I hope that each family represented on the Auburn Board is richly blessed this holiday season. War Eagle!
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
16604 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 12:09 am to
Glad you are on the come up brother.

My son is suffering from long haul covid with micro bloodclots. This has been going on since February. He’s still on blood thinners but has been able to move to normal activity but can’t workout or get his heart rate to high yet.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15926 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:01 am to
Does my 9 holes of golf after work matter?
It’s not a major championship, but anyone who competes at any sport wants to do their best.

The bowl games matter to a competitor. Everything a man of character does matters.

I agree it’s different than the good ole days, but at the Camellia Bowl I attended a few years ago it looked like every coach and player for Georgia Southern and Eastern Michigan gave their all. I’m glad they played that “meaningless” game. Tyler Bass kicked a 50 yard FG to end the first half. As time was running out Georgia Southern converted a 4th and 13 to set up a game winning FG by Bass.



Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15717 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:17 am to
I will pray for your son.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19273 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:31 am to
quote:

I’m asking should the win or loss matter for judging a season or coaching staff

Not anymore.

With regards to Gus, the opting out for players didn't really become a major issue until his last few seasons. I remember when he played OU in the Sugar bowl and OU had a couple RBs opt out and it was a big story. I remember Bob Stoops saying he thought they were pranking him when they told him they were gonna start training for the pro day/combine to improve their stock. It wasn't a widespread trend until maybe 2017 or 2018. It had happened here and there, but it really started to quickly become a trend the last 3 years of Gus' tenure at Auburn.

On the other hand, you could argue with the opting out trend being so prevalent, that bowl games should be where a coaching staff should really earn their money. If you put together a good plan without some of your better players and can go out and win, that's a good job by the staff. I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:35 am
Posted by bawbarn
Member since Jul 2012
3695 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:42 am to
I’ve started paying closer attention to many of the smaller schools during bowl season. They’re usually pretty competitive, most seniors last football game they’ll ever play. I still enjoy bowl season and having games on most nights through the holidays.

They probably don’t matter much. But then I remember top 10 pick Derrick Brown playing in his last one and think it must mean something.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:44 am
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6594 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:46 am to
BOWL GAMES MATTER

The entire system is structured to support the bowl game system. It's another trip where the kids see the city for a week instead of in and out for a forth, like the regular season. all game. I've seen teams fly to Hawaii and back in one day ......

Bowl Game is a reward for hard work. A benefit for the staff in bonuses and a last look at the team before the break.

Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
7941 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:50 am to
Bowl games don’t matter to decision makers.
Posted by Fearless and True
N Carolina
Member since Aug 2022
833 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:14 am to
Yes it matters. Look at Gus' crumby bowl record at AU. It colored our perception of his coaching ability.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36582 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:21 am to
It matters when viewing a coaches career.

It can make a career look better, and it can also be stacked on top of a list of grievances, making a career look extremely sour.

I personally liked when we stuffed Wisconsin when everyone told us we wouldn't be able to stop their RB. We stonewalled him and that was a source of pride. Coaches need to keep trying to win. Gus provided pride for other teams.
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