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re: Bo puttin in that Hard Work

Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:28 pm to
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34391 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:28 pm to
And we still have all summer to overthink the the QB room
Posted by Rig
BHM
Member since Aug 2011
41869 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 7:41 pm to
It’s not even June yet... help
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
895 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:00 pm to
quote:

Uhm, do you know who you're responding to


Who are you?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
49683 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 8:16 pm to
I’ve been here through a handful of summers.

By July people are on vacations and this place will be dead for long stretches and I’ll welcome a good controversy, but even this isn’t going to help. I hope Finley pushes Bo. I don’t want him to win, but if he does that’s marvelous. At Harsin’s hire I thought Nix and Tank were excellent situations to walk into, and I still believe it. But Finley is big bodied and fairly athletic, so he is intriguing.

It’s kinda strange seeing all of these passes in the middle:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/24/21 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Fear The Thumb
Coastal, AL
Member since Nov 2012
3551 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:35 pm to
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LOL. Man this board is great.


Bailout Bo has had TWO years to prove he belongs but here we are entering year 3 with a lot of question marks at the QB position. Gus Bus taint lingers!
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30772 posts
Posted on 5/24/21 at 11:21 pm to
Awesome Finley pickup! WDE
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69062 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 3:45 am to
I sometimes wonder if you drink more than me. Its a question I ask frequently when you post.

I cant make up my mind if its that, You are very young or one of the best trollers on this site.

I will buy you a drink one day, if you are old enough, we we will talk it out.


Posted by Fear The Thumb
Coastal, AL
Member since Nov 2012
3551 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:08 am to
Just stating facts. We are in year 3 of Bo which should be his final season before going into the NFL draft, but here we are going into fall practice with a highly contested QB battle looming.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9840 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 7:24 am to
Lol weird thing to say
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
7037 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:13 am to
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highly contested QB battle looming.



Dont think many believe it is going to be a highly contested battle, Bo aint losing his spot. Unless you are talking about the battle for the backup spot.

Now that Bo has good QB coaches lets see what he can do. The guy Gus ran off is a borderline 1st round QB now after a little coaching.
Posted by AUtigR24
Happy Hour
Member since Apr 2011
20085 posts
Posted on 5/25/21 at 8:22 am to
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Turns out that Willis was better


Freezus > Gus

at qb play anyway

Gus had Willis looking like a borderline retard when he got in the game. Remember the safety he took on a read opiton

Posted by AUEE13
Member since Oct 2013
628 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 7:10 pm to
LINK

Nothing new here, but I watched this today and ... Wow. Really good analysis of all the reasons our offense was a disaster last year. OL looked clueless at times, Bo tried too hard to make chicken salad, and WRs (SETH!) not knowing what to do on a given play. You can tell the frustration in his voice at how dysfunctional our scheme was.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8895 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 8:41 am to
I stated this on another post ...

Until convinced otherwise.....

Finley is an overrated miserable Quarterback, so bad, that he was benched just so LSU could start winning ...

But the jury remains out ...
Posted by AUarch79
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2013
680 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 9:05 am to
Wow powerful video and analysis. I can’t express how much I got to despise Gus for his ineptitude yet arrogance. This video shows the horrible scheming, coaching, and lack of football IQ that was AU football under his regime. I was ecstatic when he was fired. I have loved everything Harsin has done and feel like for the first time in a long to me we have an actual div 1 level football coach and staff who know how to recruit, evaluate, scheme, coach and develop. I don’t want to hear about what a nice man Gus was; he really screwed us.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13405 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 9:45 am to
Saddest thing about Gus is he was one of the best offensive coaches in college football for years.

Then he walks away from what made him successful a duel threat QB running the zone read to run a pro-style offensive which he was not very good at and didn’t understand.

If Gus is smart he goes back to his roots at UCF and runs the ball.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4271 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 10:10 am to
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Saddest thing about Gus is he was one of the best offensive coaches in college football for years.

Then he walks away from what made him successful a duel threat QB running the zone read to run a pro-style offensive which he was not very good at and didn’t understand.

If Gus is smart he goes back to his roots at UCF and runs the ball.


You don't even understand Gus. I've analyzed and explained the misconception that you just repeated countless times: he was NOT some run-heavy QB-read guy who "went away from his offense". What you saw him try to do in recent years (and fail at) is what he was from the very beginning. The Cam Newton and Nick Marshall offenses were the actual aberrations, and in both of those two seasons (2010 and 2013) he didn't even go into the season with the "offensive plan" that ended up being what those seasons were famous for. He basically tripped his way into an unstoppable offense off the foundations left behind for him. That was never "his offense", hence why he couldn't replicate it.

He GOT INTO college football off the back of Mitch Mustain - a pro-style quarterback. He then went to Tulsa where for two seasons the QB did little to no running. When he came to Auburn, he had the opportunity to start a "dual threat" in Kodi Burns, but instead went with Chris Todd (an Air Raid guy) who won the job in a handful of practices. That 2009 Auburn offense of course featured no QB run plays or "zone-option". Gus wasn't even the guy that found or wanted Cam, I'm pretty sure it was Curtis Luper...and if you remember 2010, it took Gus several weeks before he even figured out that he could spam the read-option with Cam up and down the field. Once again, that was never his offense. You even saw this with Marshall - in his second season here we cut back significantly on the QB-read.

A lot of you seem to misunderstand Gus or attribute things to him that simply were never the case. The significant "part" of 2010 and 2013 was that he inherited offensive rosters that were tooled towards running the football (most notably inherited offensive lines) and he found pots of gold in two transfer QB's who could steer that ship on the ground. Through his OWN recruiting/coaching, it is obvious that he tripped his way to success with that "system" (which was never his "mantra") as evidenced by the fact that he could never replicate it. He couldn't even build the offensive lines REQUIRED to make the zone-read QB thing work. You can't "move away" from doing something that was never YOUR THING in the first place.
Posted by AUarch79
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2013
680 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 10:15 am to
Bird he was a one trick pony and once the defenses figured out how to scheme against his offense, he was done. And he wasn’t a great offensive mind because he never evolved the offense. Fir yrs I was on another site screaming about his lack of Oline, RB and QB recruiting. We finally got Tank but before that we were hard pressed to get elite RBs. Same w QB. Bo was a legacy otherwise his QB recruiting was abysmal. Say they saw something in JG or MW; they were never developed. Gus is a stubborn moron and he did tremendous hard to AU football.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 12:51 pm to
The one thing Gus deserves credit for is his innovation and exploitation of the substitution issues a HUNH caused. He was pretty good at game planning a few explosive plays for certain down/distances against specific personnel. Then running those personnel groupings out late in the play clock to gain an advantage and create an explosive play similar to a hockey line change. Even in 2009 and 2011 we saw Gus create explosive plays without Cam or Nick. IMO it was the one thing Gus figured out about the HUNH that people had never really fleshed out to its full potential. Saban deserves credit for lobbying against it and swinging some of the advantage back to the D with the substitution rule.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8895 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 1:21 pm to
With Gus, it always seemed as if the offense started at square one each season. The most drop off should have been getting the three to five new players up to level of the returning players.

I said many times ....."It's as if the coloring book had been colored in on every page ...and they had nothing left to reveal."
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19409 posts
Posted on 5/30/21 at 3:46 pm to
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metafour
That may be the best analysis of Gustav that I’ve ever read

In fairness to him, the 2017 offense with Stidham/KJ was pretty much “his”. And except for his traditional “Four Game Gus” tendency at the beginning if the year, it was pretty damned effective until KJ got hurt late in the IB.
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