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re: Bo Nix is just not very good.

Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:13 am to
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:13 am to
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The spike was off the table the moment Nix fumbled the snap.


no it wasn't. Take the grounding penalty. You lose one to two yards. Nobody seems to remember......this is the second time, this year, he has botched the ball on a spike play. That was a spot foul penalty also.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15746 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:32 am to
We bled the clock down pretty much whole possession.

What if we had just lined up in shot gun, have bo roll outside tackle box to clock it?
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 9:36 am to
He gets under center several times every game. He just gets anxious apparently on that play. That was a perfect snap. He is pulling out before he gets the ball. He rushes himself on that call for some reason.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6383 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:15 am to
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no it wasn't. Take the grounding penalty. You lose one to two yards. Nobody seems to remember......this is the second time, this year, he has botched the ball on a spike play. That was a spot foul penalty also.


Care to go on a trip with me to an officiating board? Specifically an NCAA Officiating board? You are also debating an Official that has 25 years under the belt including Semi Pro ball using NFL Rules.

The fumble killed a legal spike. The White Hat anticipates the spike, gets tunnel vision and kills the play while ignoring everything start to finish. The replay cannot award the ball to Arkansas because ...In instant replay, an inadvertent whistle is ignored when the fumble is recovered immediately. This backward pass is touched by an Arkansas Player, then the foot of the "C" Official (part of the field) then recovered by Arkansas. Anticipating a clean spike, the White screwed this up. In the original view from behind the action, The White Hat is clearly signaling incomplete pass while blowing his whistle. It is not until the White Hat runs in on the action that the other Officials kill the paly before the fumble is recovered.

The White Hat covered himself and his inadvertent whistle, by declaring an illegal forward pass. The SEC covered for him. But he will catch hell on Tuesday or Wednesday when the crew is evaluated by phone from SEC Headquarters.

If it's not a killed spike as you claim, then explain why it becomes an illegal pass and the loss of down plus penalty yardage from the spot of the foul? To make your claim stick ...something has to occur to make to take the spike away.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:09 am to
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Care to go on a trip with me to an officiating board? Specifically an NCAA Officiating board? You are also debating an Official that has 25 years under the belt including Semi Pro ball using NFL Rules.

The fumble killed a legal spike.



You must not be a very good official. IF you were a good official, you would know......the fumble kills the spike. It turns the spike into an "intentional grounding". Intentional grounding is a spot foul/loss of down. AGAIN, you are losing one to two yards in penalty and loss of down.

ETA also AGAIN, Bo fumbled the snap on a spike play in the first or second game. I don't remember which. It was a spot foul. That time he didn't turn around and throw it down. Fumbling the snap turns it into a penalty play on a spike........but what exactly are you losing other than a yard or two?
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 11:17 am
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3598 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 2:01 pm to
There seems to be a very prominent inability to separate Bo Nix from his recruiting ranking by many people in this fanbase. I'm seeing people post about how he'd be "elite", "incredible", under certain circumstances...and I'm just not sure what player some of you are watching. Ask yourself this: if he was a 3-star recruit and he was making the same plays/throws that you have seen to date, would you have any inclination to label his upside as "elite"? Honestly? I posted this already in another thread, but regardless of any decline in his play from the "Malzahn Effect" (which I've been pioneering for years now - he absolutely butchers quarterbacks) or OL ineptitude, Box Nix is literally an average SEC starting QB from a TALENT perspective. Can anybody point out even one elite trait he possesses from a QB "toolset" perspective? His arm strength and "zip" is about average, his accuracy and ball placement is average at best (if that). Does he have a particularly quick release? Not really; its about average. Are his mechanics elite? No, they're below average. The only tool I can see as legitimately above-average is his athleticism at the position, but that comes with below-average size and non-elite sense for carrying the football so he's not ever going to be a "running QB". I guess we can label his "intangibles" or whatever as above-average as well. Combine all of those together and you have an average SEC quarterback. Now, does he possess "talent"? Of course, but I expect any quarterback that starts games for a program of this caliber to have talent. Bo Nix looks no more talented than a guy like Brandon Cox was, and I'd be willing to be that not a single person here would describe Cox as possessing "elite talent".

Sometimes I really wonder how much football outside of Auburn some of you guys watch or are exposed to. If you guys want to get a sense of "talent" at the quarterback position; do yourself a favor and turn on the Buffalo Bills game on Tuesday and watch Josh Allen throw the football. I keep seeing people hype up rudimentary Bo Nix completions as if they're indicative of his 5-star ranking or "elite talent". His best passes are literally passes that you'd expect any NFL quarterback to make without fail...and those plays by him are mixed in with all sorts plays wherein he's throwing inaccurate balls on short dink/dunk passes or just generally throwing suboptimally placed passes.

This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 2:20 pm
Posted by au7342
Member since May 2020
162 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 2:44 pm to
Bo will never live up to his HS ratings as long as our OL sucks. Problem is the OL will not improve for another 2 - 3 years at best and Bo will be gone to the NFL.

When you are literally running for your life, you do a lot of bad things to try and make a play. Put him in uat's system behind their OL and he's a Heisman candidate.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17274 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 2:52 pm to
Lengthy analysis is lengthy - but spot on.

And I think it’s well past the time where we can talk about him being inexperienced. He’s started 16 games at the major college level, and taken 80-90% of his team’s snaps. This coming from his being the son of a successful SEC starting QB turned coach, having started three or four years in high school, and attended numerous QB camps.

You’d think he would have had the presence of mind not to throw the ball backwards on a spike attempt.
Posted by bigtrain333
Member since Oct 2017
306 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 3:48 pm to
It's all too fast for him. He was given the position and now we are in a bind. Everything said above is spot on analysis except I wouldn't even call him average. He is probably the worst qb in the SEC with only Vandy's being worse. and I will add that he also has about the worst pocket presence I've ever seen and our line has no chance blocking for him.
Posted by Skyler97
Member since Mar 2014
4482 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 3:53 pm to
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Put him in uat's system behind their OL and he's a Heisman candidate.


I disagree. He'd be better but youre making a big jump from his current skill to Heisman lol
Posted by WarDamn101
Member since Sep 2012
465 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 4:47 pm to
That was a great analysist. Question is why was he a 5* coming out of HS?
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 5:09 pm to
247 had him as a 4*, #62 in the country. Not shabby, but not a 5*
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22365 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 5:57 pm to
It’s early into his true sophomore season... and he didn’t get a spring practice this offseason.

He’s average right now with room to grow... I think he can improve... just not sure gus can make that happen.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
7987 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 5:57 pm to
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Question is why was he a 5* coming out of HS?


The real question is why do we question highly rated QBs that come to Auburn and under produce? Do you think that year after year these kids fool the experts but come here and derp it up? I wonder what the common denominator in this storyline is? Seems like we’ve seen this before?
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted by GruntAu
Member since Jul 2017
740 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 6:33 pm to
I bet we lead the league in horizontal yards, that is something right?
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
16992 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:50 am to
I didn’t get to watch the game Saturday, watching now. Goodness, Nix can’t throw an accurate screen pass.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42557 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:01 am to
Just needs more time. Obviously it is a coaches fault he can't throw 3 yards.
Posted by jvilletiger25
jacksonville, fl
Member since Jan 2014
16992 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:04 am to
Screen passes only work when the QB gets it out quickly and accurately. Defenses have plenty of time to react when our backs and receivers are having to make acrobatic catches to get the ball.
Posted by PubeCrab
Member since May 2014
830 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 10:09 am to
I’d like to see the rb hold for protection a few seconds before leaking out as a 2nd or third option. The immediate screen seems too easy for defenses to read. Mix has to get more accurate with the throws.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:24 am to
One of Bo's continued QB weakness is his lack of staying in the pocket, even when the pocket has not really broken down.

He tends to anticipate, when he sees the D pushing in on 1 side for example. He immediately starts to roll out.

Watch really good QBs. They move around in that pocket looking for space to throw from.

Bo can improve but some of that has to come from him...
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