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re: Bo Nix is just not very good.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:00 pm to AuSteeler
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:00 pm to AuSteeler
Bo’s strengths - arm strength, athlete, competitiveness, understanding of the moment in the game, gamer, ball security. He has plenty of arm for college or NFL.
Weakness - Fading out of the pocket, thinking he’s a good QB when on the move ( he’s way over confident in that regard), throws off the back foot to often (sometimes it’s required), lack of concentration on easy throws.
Biggest issue is OL.
And LACK OF TALENT AT WR ... y’all might think we have talent but we don’t. Not upper level SEC talent. That’s why Bo has to throw a perfect pass every play. Never can he stand in the pocket and ripe and out route or a 15 yard come back. Has nothing to do with scheme or route tree it’s all about the WRs getting separation. Fire Kodi!!
Weakness - Fading out of the pocket, thinking he’s a good QB when on the move ( he’s way over confident in that regard), throws off the back foot to often (sometimes it’s required), lack of concentration on easy throws.
Biggest issue is OL.
And LACK OF TALENT AT WR ... y’all might think we have talent but we don’t. Not upper level SEC talent. That’s why Bo has to throw a perfect pass every play. Never can he stand in the pocket and ripe and out route or a 15 yard come back. Has nothing to do with scheme or route tree it’s all about the WRs getting separation. Fire Kodi!!
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:03 pm to CorchJay
This is pretty spot on Corch. Agree on all points. And I might even be more harsh on our WR than others. They are all seriously flawed even Seth. He is a solid physical one on one talent and has great ups but he is almost never open to the naked eye due to laziness, poor execution, and lack of top end speed.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 12:13 pm to CorchJay
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Bo’s strengths - arm strength, athlete, competitiveness, understanding of the moment in the game, gamer, ball security. He has plenty of arm for college or NFL.
He has an average NFL arm and above average athleticism but has very little production to show for it. He is also fairly small by NFL standards. You said he would be a 1st or 2nd round pick in other posts. Almost all 1st/2nd round picks have elite production, size, or arm talent. Bo is not elite in any of that. He will probably be like a 5th round pick or later unless he drastically improves
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:09 pm to Skyler97
Bo is not ready for the draft now. Get back to me in a year or so
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:31 am to CorchJay
Corch, I think he has some significant fundamental flaws in his game. Hes a great athlete and a great kid. He takes responsibility, almost too much, and wears it on his sleeve. He carries the weight of the world on his shoulders. No one can play effectively like that. He so worried about "making a play" that he doesn't use any fundamentals. He is putting way too much pressure on himself. He is still playing high school ball and this is P5 big boy football. He's going to need a mental reset before he sees his potential. It has everything to do with his mental state, because he has all the physical tools.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:21 am to TailbackU
TailbackU i agree with you. Way to much pressure on the kid/young man. I think that comes from just the entire feelings surrounding the program.
We as fans take wins and loses to seriously. At the end of the game it's a game. Yes lots of money is involved but other then the benefits of playing at the P5 level and scholarships these players are put under way to much stress to perform.
Just an example if the spiked fumbled snap wouldn't have been blown dead and Arkansas would have recovered the fumble and we lost the game Bo would have been blamed and probably received calls and hate text and threats.
I think that pressure is also on Gus. It's changed him as well. Every game is a must win. Because that's what the fans demand. Yes, I have high expectations for the Auburn football program but never losing is a pretty ridiculous expectation. UF has never had an undefeated season. UGA hasn't since 1980. Bama under Saban and that monster has only had 1 undefeated season.
We as fans take wins and loses to seriously. At the end of the game it's a game. Yes lots of money is involved but other then the benefits of playing at the P5 level and scholarships these players are put under way to much stress to perform.
Just an example if the spiked fumbled snap wouldn't have been blown dead and Arkansas would have recovered the fumble and we lost the game Bo would have been blamed and probably received calls and hate text and threats.
I think that pressure is also on Gus. It's changed him as well. Every game is a must win. Because that's what the fans demand. Yes, I have high expectations for the Auburn football program but never losing is a pretty ridiculous expectation. UF has never had an undefeated season. UGA hasn't since 1980. Bama under Saban and that monster has only had 1 undefeated season.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:26 am to CorchJay
Another thought. I think it's similar to Jason Campbell. He was playing under to much pressure on himself early instead of just allowing the game to play out.
I see the mechanical flaws you also mentioned. His throwing falling back and flat footed are the 2 more serious flaws. His ball placement in the pocket, his drops, his 3/4 release are fine. Footwork is probably the easiest of all mechanical flaws to correct. As a former OC, QB coach, and HS QB myself the best advice I ever got was that sometimes you just have to stand in there and take the hit to make a completion when your team needs you to. The other thing that help me improve my game since I was so fast as well was "that I didn't always have to throw the ball".
I see the mechanical flaws you also mentioned. His throwing falling back and flat footed are the 2 more serious flaws. His ball placement in the pocket, his drops, his 3/4 release are fine. Footwork is probably the easiest of all mechanical flaws to correct. As a former OC, QB coach, and HS QB myself the best advice I ever got was that sometimes you just have to stand in there and take the hit to make a completion when your team needs you to. The other thing that help me improve my game since I was so fast as well was "that I didn't always have to throw the ball".
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:43 pm to CorchJay
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Every game is a must win
I haven't met a single person who expects that out of Gus. Gus has lost 4 games or more every single season besides his first. You're acting like we are a consistent 10 win team lol.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:45 pm to Skyler97
That is the expectation is to win 10 games a year. And it must be wins against the teams the fans demand the wins to be against.
My expectations are the Auburn Norm. Finish generally in the top 3 in the west each year. Compete for an SEC championship 2-3 times a decade winning at least one. That is who Auburn has been and seems to be who we will be. Granted I will agree we went a little long on The contract for Gus. Probably should have only been 4-5 years and not 7. The money doesn’t affect me because generally AU would have it.
History also tells me that on those championship seasons that it normally when experience and talent combine with a favorable schedule.
Should we have higher expectations? Sure we can but this ridiculous crap of everyone is a horrible coach and we are an embarrassment flies in the face of reality. Any of the old guys on here can tell you we have never been respected without playing a game like we have been under Gus. We are probably overrated under Gus and been underrated in our history. Our 3 biggest rivals at this point (Bama,UGa, and LSU) are all breaking their “normal”in games won and such. For us to be staying at our Historic normal is pretty remarkable in my opinion. Y’all might disagree. As I’ve warned before be careful what you wish for.
This in no way is to demean our history at all. We are a great program. We still are. We are a top 15 program and we have remained that.
But muh look at Clemson. Seriously do you think Clemson would be anywhere near where they are now playing our schedule? Absolutely not!!!!
My expectations are the Auburn Norm. Finish generally in the top 3 in the west each year. Compete for an SEC championship 2-3 times a decade winning at least one. That is who Auburn has been and seems to be who we will be. Granted I will agree we went a little long on The contract for Gus. Probably should have only been 4-5 years and not 7. The money doesn’t affect me because generally AU would have it.
History also tells me that on those championship seasons that it normally when experience and talent combine with a favorable schedule.
Should we have higher expectations? Sure we can but this ridiculous crap of everyone is a horrible coach and we are an embarrassment flies in the face of reality. Any of the old guys on here can tell you we have never been respected without playing a game like we have been under Gus. We are probably overrated under Gus and been underrated in our history. Our 3 biggest rivals at this point (Bama,UGa, and LSU) are all breaking their “normal”in games won and such. For us to be staying at our Historic normal is pretty remarkable in my opinion. Y’all might disagree. As I’ve warned before be careful what you wish for.
This in no way is to demean our history at all. We are a great program. We still are. We are a top 15 program and we have remained that.
But muh look at Clemson. Seriously do you think Clemson would be anywhere near where they are now playing our schedule? Absolutely not!!!!
Posted on 10/13/20 at 4:58 pm to CorchJay
My expectations for Auburn football.
Build a program that can consistently compete with the best teams in the country.
Offense: Limit turnovers and minimize penalties. Find the best playmakers and get the ball in their hands. Compete at the line of scrimmage. Develop QB that can recognize when a play call has limited chance of success and teach him to check into another play.
Defense: compete at the line of scrimmage. Create turnovers. Limit penalties. Teach assignment football.
Special teams: create field position. Find a reliable kicker. Cover kicks reliably.
Coaching: use timeouts appropriately. Make momentum calls like going for it on fourth down. Adjusting offense and defense in game.
After 7 plus seasons, Gus has a reliable kicker.
Build a program that can consistently compete with the best teams in the country.
Offense: Limit turnovers and minimize penalties. Find the best playmakers and get the ball in their hands. Compete at the line of scrimmage. Develop QB that can recognize when a play call has limited chance of success and teach him to check into another play.
Defense: compete at the line of scrimmage. Create turnovers. Limit penalties. Teach assignment football.
Special teams: create field position. Find a reliable kicker. Cover kicks reliably.
Coaching: use timeouts appropriately. Make momentum calls like going for it on fourth down. Adjusting offense and defense in game.
After 7 plus seasons, Gus has a reliable kicker.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:15 pm to makersmark1
If that are the true expectations then all have been met except a QB changing the play. We don’t do that neither do most college teams. The majority of teams run the check with me type offense.
OL has been poor the past few seasons but we have competed at the line of scrimmage against most teams even with a average at best OL. Bama has beat us down a few times and UGa did this year.
Re-read what you wrote and make sure those are your true expectations. Because if so they are met with most exceeded.
OL has been poor the past few seasons but we have competed at the line of scrimmage against most teams even with a average at best OL. Bama has beat us down a few times and UGa did this year.
Re-read what you wrote and make sure those are your true expectations. Because if so they are met with most exceeded.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:34 pm to CorchJay
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This in no way is to demean our history at all. We are a great program. We still are. We are a top 15 program and we have remained that.
We have finished in the top 15 (AP) 3 times in 7 seasons under Gus. We haven't been a top 10 program under him
Posted on 10/13/20 at 5:40 pm to CorchJay
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Re-read what you wrote and make sure those are your true expectations. Because if so they are met with most exceeded.
I would say “not consistently met”.
We are paying premium prices for good, not great results.
We are not consistently competing. Many of our losses to good teams are double digits.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:00 pm to makersmark1
Why do you or anyone on here let what the coaches are paid affect what your expectations are. That isn’t a fans job to weigh pay vs performance. It is the athletic directors.
So you are saying it AD Greene’s fault? Or is he dealt the circumstances he’s dealt?
Kin of like any coaching staff is...
And to the other response what is our average end of year ranking under Gus. Bet it’s better then 15.
You guys act like all fans don’t want better always. They do. None of us ever want to lose. We want the top 25 players in the country every year. But those aren’t realistic expectations.
for anyone older then 35 the only thing you can say is the only thing consistent about Auburn football is it’s inconsistency.
So you are saying it AD Greene’s fault? Or is he dealt the circumstances he’s dealt?
Kin of like any coaching staff is...
And to the other response what is our average end of year ranking under Gus. Bet it’s better then 15.
You guys act like all fans don’t want better always. They do. None of us ever want to lose. We want the top 25 players in the country every year. But those aren’t realistic expectations.
for anyone older then 35 the only thing you can say is the only thing consistent about Auburn football is it’s inconsistency.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:16 pm to TTsTowel
quote:.. .. .. so Cam lucked out with just one
quote:None of Gus’ quarterbacks do.
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Kid isn’t developing.
That’s the one constant.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:09 pm to awestruck
Cam was here one year
Won a jc national title then came here
Didn’t start doing anything until game 3 when Gus knew what he had
Won a jc national title then came here
Didn’t start doing anything until game 3 when Gus knew what he had
Posted on 10/14/20 at 5:46 am to CorchJay
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Why do you or anyone on here let what the coaches are paid affect what your expectations are. That isn’t a fans job to weigh pay vs performance. It is the athletic directors. So you are saying it AD Greene’s fault? Or is he dealt the circumstances he’s dealt?
I’m a fan. Why am I not allowed to look at what we are paying Gus versus his performance?
I can look at whatever I want to. Ticket prices versus results. Score differentials. Use of timeouts. Third down play calls. Development of players. There are no limits on what a fan evaluate as far as whether expectations are met.
Gus is a mediocre coach with a couple of really good seasons. He is paid a champagne and caviar salary for “battered fish and meat pie” results.
I enjoy battered fish, but I’m not paying $300 a plate for it.
In what world is pay not related to results?
I don’t know Alan Green, but I would hope he is more aware of how pay should be determined by results than JJ was.
I don’t dislike Gus or wish him ill. I just think that Auburn should not panic every time Sexton says, “so and so is calling. We will need $7 million per year since Gus beat Saban.”
BTW, none of this matters in the grand scheme. It’s just entertainment. I have some things about this show that I don’t enjoy right now. It’s had its ups and downs over the years. I was hoping AU could become a consistent program with the ability to compete season after season.
I was born in the 1960s. I’ve supported AU my whole life. I have a BS from AU.
However, I think anybody who wants to support AU is welcome.
I also think everybody is entitled to their own opinion regarding anything about AU athletics.
This post was edited on 10/14/20 at 6:45 am
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:10 am to makersmark1
Markers... I’ve said that exact thing for years now....
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:06 am to makersmark1
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I’m a fan. Why am I not allowed to look at what we are paying Gus versus his performance?
I can look at whatever I want to. Ticket prices versus results. Score differentials. Use of timeouts. Third down play calls. Development of players. There are no limits on what a fan evaluate as far as whether expectations are met.
Gus is a mediocre coach with a couple of really good seasons. He is paid a champagne and caviar salary for “battered fish and meat pie” results.
I enjoy battered fish, but I’m not paying $300 a plate for it.
In what world is pay not related to results?
I don’t know Alan Green, but I would hope he is more aware of how pay should be determined by results than JJ was.
I don’t dislike Gus or wish him ill. I just think that Auburn should not panic every time Sexton says, “so and so is calling. We will need $7 million per year since Gus beat Saban.”
BTW, none of this matters in the grand scheme. It’s just entertainment. I have some things about this show that I don’t enjoy right now. It’s had its ups and downs over the years. I was hoping AU could become a consistent program with the ability to compete season after season.
I was born in the 1960s. I’ve supported AU my whole life. I have a BS from AU.
However, I think anybody who wants to support AU is welcome.
I also think everybody is entitled to their own opinion regarding anything about AU athletics.
To add to that comment highlighted, even the PTB are fans, and they pour a lot more money into the program than my TUF and tickets cost me.
But we all should have an opinion, and if we have a decent sense of how football success is implemented, then most of us agree that we are not a consistently competitive team for the following goals:
1. Winning the SEC
2. Having a shot or making the Football Playoffs
Since we have gone to a 4 team playoff, we have had one chance only to make it, and that was 2017.
There is no way we are averaging finishing in the top 15.
Our Coaches Poll/AP finishes the last 7 years are:
2/2, 23/22, NR/NR, 22/24, 12/10, NA/NA, 14/14
5 out of 7 we were 14 or close to the bottom or out.
This year is still an unknown. chances we finish top 15?
Inconsistency again by our Offensive minded HC has put us in this position over a 7+ year period.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 11:37 am to AuSteeler
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we are not a consistently competitive team f
We are not getting top 10 results for top 10 salary.
Market rate?
Sexton schooled JJ. Hopefully AG is more nuanced in negotiations.
Meanwhile, we have not put a program together with reload versus replace mentality. We are paying top dollar for cyclical results.
I think almost any coach could come to Auburn and win 8 games on average. When Sexton bluffs is again, maybe AD will call.
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