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re: Am I the only person not wanting Deion?

Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:24 pm to
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:24 pm to
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Everyone talks about “high floor/low ceiling” or “medium floor/high ceiling”hires.

Prime is a “no floor/no ceiling” type gamble. He will either succeed beyond our wildest dreams, or flame out in the most spectacular disaster imaginable.


But even if he flames out, he will leave an uber-talented roster behind. That's literally what happened with Chizik - the talent he left over allowed Malzahn to almost with the title in his very first season. Malzahn never sniffed that level of success again.

So Deion isn't even that big a "risk" for that reason alone. Yes, there is the transfer portal and players can leave, but it's not like your entire roster is going to get up and transfer out. So even if he fails, you are better off than where we are today.

That's the point that needs to be realized: we are currently 3-10 over our past 13 games, and the talent on this roster is GONE. What's the worst case scenario with Deion? You go 3-10 but he leaves a roster full of 5-stars? You're already at the worst possible scenario.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 2:27 pm
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
36505 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:26 pm to
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That's the point that needs to be realized: we are currently 3-10 over out past 13 games, and the talent on this roster is GONE. What's the worst case scenario with Deion? You go 3-10 but he leaves a roster full of 5-stars? You're already at the worst possible scenario.

SAY THIS LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24729 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:28 pm to
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I’m with you, Dan. He’s such an unknown that he’s not on my list


He just comes off as a media hype clown and gives cliche speeches in the locker room. Well, to be fair, all coaches speeches are cliche bullshite..m

I'm sure he'll be able to recruit well though. But I don't want our hc to be a media clown. The dude walks around with his twitter tag on the back of his jacket.

Call me old fashioned..
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8001 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:28 pm to
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But even if he flames out, he will leave an uber-talented roster behind.



I've got some news for you...there's a thing called the transfer portal now. So basically, you serve the wrong kinda grilled cheese sandwich, some coach says ugly words to your face, or your old coach leaves, and you can step in the magic portal and be somewhere new by morning.

ETA- Prime is electric enough, he could take a bunch with.


This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Nerd
Member since Dec 2019
876 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:31 pm to
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What's the worst case scenario with Deion? You go 3-10 but he leaves a roster full of 5-stars? You're already at the worst possible scenario


LMAO in this hypothetical you think they’re gonna stay?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17292 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:31 pm to
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So Deion isn't even that big a "risk" for that reason alone. Yes, there is the transfer portal and players can leave, but it's not like your entire roster is going to get up and transfer out.
Serious question: why wouldn’t they?

I mean, the assumption that Prime would bring in talent is based on a lot of current prospects saying they would flip their commitments to come play for him. If he goes 0-8 in SEC play in year 3 and we fire him, why would they stick around?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24729 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:32 pm to
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That's the point that needs to be realized: we are currently 3-10 over our past 13 games, and the talent on this roster is GONE. What's the worst case scenario with Deion? You go 3-10 but he leaves a roster full of 5-stars? You're already at the worst possible scenario.


Are you ensuring he'll be top 2 in recruiting?

That's a gamble in itself. Sounds like the omly reason fans want him is his ability to recruit, not coach.

Coaching is kinda the primary job. Coaches win games without a roster full of five star. Ya'll make it sound like we'll be getting 20 5* recruits.

Ain't gonna happen. And that's a hell of a gamble.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:32 pm to
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I've got some news for you...there's a thing called the transfer portal now. So basically, you serve the wrong kinda grilled cheese sandwich, some coach says ugly words to your face, or your old coach leaves, and you can step in the magic portal and be somewhere new by morining.



I already addressed that. You think the entire roster would transfer out? And where to? If the guys he recruits suck (which would be why we'd be losing hypothetically), then it's not like all of them will be prized targets for better "schools".

By the way, a lot of them would be tied to Auburn for NIL reasons alone. Colby Wooden and Tank Bigsby didn't love Harsin, but they're still here because we paid to keep then. Deion Sanders would use NIL to recruit which means there would be an incentive for those recruits to stay.

Auburn locks players in
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
24729 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:33 pm to
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Auburn locks players in


Didn't we already lose half of last years' recruits?

I know the program is in the shitter, but Auburn loses players like everyone else.
This post was edited on 11/2/22 at 2:34 pm
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
34884 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:33 pm to
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So, just like Jimbo. Those five stars aint working out well over at aTm.

Still takes a coach who knows how to coach.


I don't think some of you are fully grasping how poor our roster is after this year

Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:35 pm to
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That's a gamble in itself. Sounds like the omly reason fans want him is his ability to recruit, not coach.

Coaching is kinda the primary job. Coaches win games without a roster full of five star.


He would field an elite coaching staff, if he wants to. Again, Auburn money plus his personality and connections = ELITE STAFF.

He's already doing that at Jackson State.

Again, elite talent + elite coordinators (if he's serious) + position coaches. That by default wins most of your games. It's hard to completely fail with that setup.

You severely underestimate his coaching connections. He has Mike Zimmer (an NFL HC) as an analyst on his fricking Jackson State staff.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:36 pm to
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Didn't we already lose half of last years' recruits?

I know the program is in the shitter, but Auburn loses players like everyone else.


We lost the players that don't play. That happens at every school.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:36 pm to
I dont.

Not enough legit experience - as in not even close
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7968 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:44 pm to
I'll get in line if we hire him but he is waaay down my list. He has absolutely nothing on his resume that shows he is ready for a job at this level. I need a little more than vibes. I need to see something concrete and 4 P5 level recruits over 3 years just isn't enough for me.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79192 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:46 pm to
I'm pretty conflicted. If the top candidates are Rhule, Lane and Deion, then giving up two guys with a good bit of HC experience and both with NFL HC experience for a pure unknown is a significant risk. But, Deion could prove to be a trajectory changer for some school, and I don't want to pass on that without due consideration.

Ideally, for me at least, we'd interview Lane and Deion and something came out from Deion that confirmed for Cohen he's just not ready.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:47 pm to
I don’t get it either. He could work out, but he’s a huuuuge risk…
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
6950 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:50 pm to
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But I don't want our hc to be a media clown
you mean like Bruce? Media darlings are a good thing my man
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22368 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:52 pm to
Basketball is a different animal, especially at a place like auburn.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
3599 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:59 pm to
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He has absolutely nothing on his resume that shows he is ready for a job at this level. I need a little more than vibes. I need to see something concrete and 4 P5 level recruits over 3 years just isn't enough for me.


I don't understand what some of you are watching. Here are the things that he has shown that are VERY important to success at this level:

1) Elite ability to build a coaching staff. He is at a HBCU and he fields a coaching staff that is better than some P5 teams. With the money that Auburn can throw around, he can field a Top 5 coaching staff with ease. His connections and prestige within the football community are very underrated.

2) Elite ability to recruit. This isn't even up for debate. He hasn't even taken a job yet and he is the most talked about coach amongst 2023 recruits. Everyone is waiting and watching to see what he will do.

3) Elite ability to market himself and his program. Again, he is single-handedly fueling an entire league of HBCU's that no one would otherwise give two craps about. College Gameday just visited their dilapidated school. He is interviewed on every program. He presents charisma and salesmanship no different than what Bruce Pearl has done at Auburn. You hire him and Auburn is the top storyline in the country. What are we now known for? Being Bama's little brother?

4) He can clearly motivite. If he was some flash in the pan like Bryan Harsin, they wouldn't be winning every game.

That isn't even counting the fact that his team is 19-2 over the past two seasons.

There is risk with every hire. His "risk" (his inexperience) can be masked by the fact that you can surround him with proven elite coaches. Again, this is dependent on if he's serious and willing to do that (as opposed to just bringing over his entire current staff). That is what you would need to do when you interview him.

The fact that someone wants to argue that he's proven "nothing" of value is asinine.
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
11917 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 3:00 pm to
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He would field an elite coaching staff, if he wants to


If we hire Deion I guarantee the remaining staff would be former Auburn players. They would hold Caddie, Ethridge and Kendall Simmons over then throw in T Will as DC. Who else am I missing? I wish they would just do it to prove how dumb our boosters and most of our fanbase is.
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