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Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:21 pm to CorchJay
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:21 pm to CorchJay
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I just totally miss the point.
His point:
Nobody was freaking out at this point in 2009. None of our big recruits came until the middle of the season when the product was shown on the field.
2009: 8 commits and 1 4*
2021: 5 commits and 1 4*
woe is us posting right now is just chicken little crap. If things are still poor middle of the season, melt away. Right now it is just silly.
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:28 pm to LanierSpots
Amen Lanier!
1 injury away in 2017 from being in the playoff as well.
1 injury away in 2017 from being in the playoff as well.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:30 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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His point:
Nobody was freaking out at this point in 2009. None of our big recruits came until the middle of the season when the product was shown on the field.
2009: 8 commits and 1 4*
2021: 5 commits and 1 4*
woe is us posting right now is just chicken little crap. If things are still poor middle of the season, melt away. Right now it is just silly.
Bingo.
On one hand you literally have people proclaiming this hire a dud. Can't recruit. Doesn't have anyone on staff that can recruit. Fish out of water. He's been exposed in the SEC.
Then you look at Chizik's first class up until today's date (July 7th) and it's literally a bunch of 3-stars and Jeremy Richardson. But wait, everyone loves Chizik the recruiter - so where were all his elite recruits who jumped on the ship without seeing a single game of a Chizik-led team take the field? Go ahead and look at who actually committed when in 2010 - his best signees pretty much all came after the season ended or in ~October/December. Kind of like it's entirely plausible for Harsin to field a good enough team to change some kids minds. Kind of like its ALWAYS been important for Auburn to recruit off actual game-day atmosphere.
The point is simple: what some of you are literally raking Harsin over the coals for, Gene Chizik wasn't even able to accomplish AT THIS POINT in his respective tenure. And Chizik wasn't dealing with COVID, on top of the fact that Chizik also had a history in this conference and this school prior to even getting the job.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Saban hadn't imposed his will on the conference for the past 12 years at that point either. Nor was UGA finishing in the top 3 recruiting every year. LSU was have some good classes but wasn't turning in top 5 classes almost yearly. The SEC has changed since 2010.
The woe is me stuff isn't chicken little crap. There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then. It's crickets now. And yes I agree no one was freaking out in 2009 because we saw who we were in on. We are in on no one of any significance at this point. Is Perry the only player we are going head to head with Bama that we have a chance at? That should tell you exactly why people wonder what the hell is going on.
The woe is me stuff isn't chicken little crap. There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then. It's crickets now. And yes I agree no one was freaking out in 2009 because we saw who we were in on. We are in on no one of any significance at this point. Is Perry the only player we are going head to head with Bama that we have a chance at? That should tell you exactly why people wonder what the hell is going on.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:36 pm to metafour
I’m late to the party but I’ll say my peace.
Micah Riley-Ducker is a damn big recruiting win. To go and pluck that kid out of the Midwest is impressive. Hats off to Harsin and Brad Bedell for working him.
A lot has been debated about Malzahn here. My take is that he was a good leader and the right fit at Auburn for the majority of his tenure as head coach. He faced quite possibly the best dynasty ever formed in college football and held his own in Jordan-Hare. His ultimate downfall was that he couldn’t win on the road against UGA, Alabama, and LSU. He’s a class act, great representative for Auburn, and ran a clean program. He absolutely had some recruiting shortfalls the last 4 years, but all in all he recruited very well for AU.
I’m excited about Harsin. We’re starting to pick up a little steam. He’s a huge personality shift from Malzahn and I think that’s what the program needs right now.
Micah Riley-Ducker is a damn big recruiting win. To go and pluck that kid out of the Midwest is impressive. Hats off to Harsin and Brad Bedell for working him.
A lot has been debated about Malzahn here. My take is that he was a good leader and the right fit at Auburn for the majority of his tenure as head coach. He faced quite possibly the best dynasty ever formed in college football and held his own in Jordan-Hare. His ultimate downfall was that he couldn’t win on the road against UGA, Alabama, and LSU. He’s a class act, great representative for Auburn, and ran a clean program. He absolutely had some recruiting shortfalls the last 4 years, but all in all he recruited very well for AU.
I’m excited about Harsin. We’re starting to pick up a little steam. He’s a huge personality shift from Malzahn and I think that’s what the program needs right now.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:38 pm to CorchJay
You win it's not worth the space on the recruiting thread. When we finish outside the top 20 nationally recruiting you can keep thinking whatever you want. What will the excuse be next year? I'm sure it'll be some combination of Gus's development wasn't good enough to win enough games in year 1 or Harsin hasn't had time to get his guys in yet.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:39 pm to CorchJay
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Saban hadn't imposed his will on the conference for the past 12 years at that point either. Nor was UGA finishing in the top 3 recruiting every year. LSU was have some good classes but wasn't turning in top 5 classes almost yearly. The SEC has changed since 2010.
So, are you just trying to prove metafour’s point and don’t realize it, or are you really just this obtuse?
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The woe is me stuff isn't chicken little crap.
It is. It is what children do.
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There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then. It's crickets now. And yes I agree no one was freaking out in 2009 because we saw who we were in on. We are in on no one of any significance at this point. I
Agree with the strategy or not, but Harsin is approaching this transition in a very different way than Chizik. We will see if it works or not, but looking at things the first week of July is just pure folly.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:41 pm to metafour
We will likely have some positive momentum going into the season. If we go on the road to Penn State and LSU and win? I think at that point all bets are off. A couple of high-profile wins once the season starts would be huge for this staff to establish itself.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:43 pm to LanierSpots
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We were better off with Gus and JJ than most of the duo's on my lifetime.
If giving away games to LSU and not being able to beat UGA is "better off", then we were living in high cotton.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:47 pm to MrAUTigers
Corch just loves him some Malzahn, we'll see how well he does in Orlando
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:47 pm to CorchJay
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Saban hadn't imposed his will on the conference for the past 12 years at that point either. Nor was UGA finishing in the top 3 recruiting every year. LSU was have some good classes but wasn't turning in top 5 classes almost yearly. The SEC has changed since 2010.
Uhmm, right - so it was EVEN EASIER for him LOL. What exactly is the point you're trying to make? Harsin is doing SO BAD, and yet Gene Chizik couldn't even do any better at the same point in time in his respective tenure, despite going up against even easier competition?
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The woe is me stuff isn't chicken little crap. There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then. It's crickets now.
Wrong, there IS excitement about this staff. You just obviously have a narrative to run (I suspect you're a Gus apologist, I'm seeing a lot of whingeing from that camp) and thus its all conveniently flying over your head. Harsin is assembling a level of structure in this program that hasn't been seen since Dye, THAT is the excitement. Structure is also the foundation of every single one of these elite coaches that you see dominating. The "excitement" over the Chizik staff was superficial: they recruited but had zero regard for player character and zero ability for building a structured team, hence the disgusting off-field problems and the eventual conclusion when his team folded on him like a cheap lawn chair once things started going poorly.
Based off of what I have seen and heard to date, I will be very surprised if Harsin doesn't succeed here. And that includes recruiting, which WILL pick up once the work is shown on the field. The point of bringing up Chizik's recruiting is to show that even his "elite recruiting staff" wasn't able to make any noteworthy dent UNTIL games were actually played. In fact, it took almost a full season of games before any "elite" recruits wanted to commit to him.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:50 pm to CorchJay
I’ll agree with Corch that we’ve taken up too much of this thread on this, myself included.
We just got a fantastic commitment and that should be the focus.
We just got a fantastic commitment and that should be the focus.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:51 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Two fantastic commitments in as many days, and hopefully more to come soon.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:29 pm to CorchJay
quote:Surrounding which members of the staff?
There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then.
The three-years-out-of-high-school OC who got R-U-N-N-O-F-T by Houston Nutt before his first season in CFB ended and spent two years in Tulsa?
The DC who failed miserably as an HC (.118 winning percentage) and was coming off a mediocre year as a DC at Minnesota?
Or the charismatic HC who was 5-19 and had lost his last 10 games as a HC when we hired him?
No one - repeat, NO ONE was excited about our coaching staff in July of 2009. It wasn't until we won our first 5 games - including upsets vs West Virginia and Tennessee - that recruits started paying attention.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:33 pm to FearlessFreep
This thread wreaks of some people that will be jerking off when we lose some games trying to claim that Harsin is a shite coach in his first year 
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:40 pm to CorchJay
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There was excitement surrounding the staff at AU then.
For 5-19 Gene Chizik? Am I the only one who remembers Chizik landing at the airport?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:50 pm to Leto II
Chizik was the worst hire I'd ever seen
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:03 pm to Poker Dough
I love this board
KN saying there might be good news this week. Reading the tea leaves and CBs I'm guessing Caleb Wooden is who he's talking about.
KN saying there might be good news this week. Reading the tea leaves and CBs I'm guessing Caleb Wooden is who he's talking about.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:03 pm to CorchJay
Your an absolute dumbass
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:09 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I’ll agree with Corch that we’ve taken up too much of this thread
People keep saying this and then they continue to add to the madness. Meanwhile
Im tasked with keeping this ship afloat and pointed the right direction. It’d be nice if folks would respect the thread and spin off elsewhere on the competency of Harsin, AD, and so on but this thread takes the brunt of the off season every year. It’s beyond my control
We’re about 37 days into this staff’s full recruiting effort and it shows. With nothing else to discuss recruiting is always the spotlight in July. Is what it is. But a handful of folks here always make this thread about their personal problem with the football program: Jacobs, Gus, Greene, Harsin, Boosters/PTB, and so on. Year after year.
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