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Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:46 pm to blzr
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:47 pm to Luke
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At this rate we will know the fate of this HC by November
They’ve brought in more 2023 guys than 2022 guys. That’s the class that they’ll have zero excuses on. So I’m pegging ‘23 as the class to judge what this staff is capable of.
I think this class ends up being a top 20 class with an equal 4*/3* split but it’s going to be a grind and we’re gonna need some of these borderline guys to get a bump.
No sunshine here. But that’s what we’re looking at, IMO
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:59 pm to Luke
Gene Chizik's first full class (2010) at this point in the year:
Rivals rating first, 247 rating second.
3*/3* K Cody Parkey
4*/4* LB Jake Holland (was a 3-star at this point when committed - only upgraded to 4* late in the cycle after his Senior season)
3*/4* ATH Shaun Kitchens
5*/4* OT Shon Coleman (was a 3-star at this point when committed - made a massive jump during Senior season and Army All-American Bowl showing)
4*/3* WR Jeremy Richardson
3*/3* LB Jawara White
3*/3* LB Jessel Curry
3*/NR CB Jonathan Mincy
Sooo, basically all 3-stars other than Richardson who was overrated on Rivals. Coleman ended up being an elite recruit and a top player. Holland was upgraded to 4* late in the season and then went on to be the joke of the team (should have stayed a 3-star LOL). Shaun Kitchens was one of the armed-robbers from that class and was known as a problem even when we took his commitment.
Literally all of the other elite recruits not named Shon Coleman that came out of that class (Dyer, Newton, Lemonier, Whitaker) came at the very end of the recruiting cycle.
Rivals rating first, 247 rating second.
3*/3* K Cody Parkey
4*/4* LB Jake Holland (was a 3-star at this point when committed - only upgraded to 4* late in the cycle after his Senior season)
3*/4* ATH Shaun Kitchens
5*/4* OT Shon Coleman (was a 3-star at this point when committed - made a massive jump during Senior season and Army All-American Bowl showing)
4*/3* WR Jeremy Richardson
3*/3* LB Jawara White
3*/3* LB Jessel Curry
3*/NR CB Jonathan Mincy
Sooo, basically all 3-stars other than Richardson who was overrated on Rivals. Coleman ended up being an elite recruit and a top player. Holland was upgraded to 4* late in the season and then went on to be the joke of the team (should have stayed a 3-star LOL). Shaun Kitchens was one of the armed-robbers from that class and was known as a problem even when we took his commitment.
Literally all of the other elite recruits not named Shon Coleman that came out of that class (Dyer, Newton, Lemonier, Whitaker) came at the very end of the recruiting cycle.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:00 pm to metafour
To be fair, that was also before the December early signing period was adopted.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:02 pm to AUCE05
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There is nothing stopping AU from pulling elite talent. We just need to get out of our way.
yea, just like "Auburn could get any coach they want"
You continue to over hype what we are. We are not what you think we are or what you want us to be.
You are probably just too young or naive to see that.
We are what we are and more than likely, what we always will be. There is nothing wrong with that. But dont think for a second we can get who we want. WE cant
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:07 pm to AUEE13
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To be fair, that was also before the December early signing period was adopted.
Sure, but the point was that no one was jumping aboard that ship until they actually saw the product on the field. The next 3-4 commitments we got after that group were all non-elite guys as well: Chad Slade, Justin Delaine, etc.
The landscape is entirely different today than it was then. Yes, more top guys will commit early with an early signing period - however, the transfer portal is also an element that creates an entirely different form of talent acquisition. I've said it already a hundred times, but this 2022 HS class will be smaller than normal. Do not be surprised if they save spots and hit the transfer portal hard again and count guys towards 2022. Despite what the resident softball coach here wants to say, there is legitimate talent all over the country - and coaches get fired every single year creating what while be a monsoon of transfers.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:08 pm to LanierSpots
You are entitled to an opinion. It doesn't make it correct. Chizik and Dye recruited at a very high level. Gus and Tubs could have, but in the end did not have the skill. We have also allowed everyone to pass us in facilities, which was a big push by Dye.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:53 pm to AUCE05
My opinion aligns more with Lanier in that, until Auburn goes “all in” on football, we have a ceiling we’ll hit. It’s not that far off from LSU or UGA’s ceiling but it clearly puts us a tier below the Alabama, Clemson, OSU’s of the CFB world. Harsin has the capacity to turn Auburn into the next Clemson due to the fact he has this vision and ethos that he’s unwilling to waiver from. It takes that ballsiness to make
it work but it takes time too with a guy like Harsin (in comparison to a guy like Saban or even Kirby who knows the winning blueprint and had a known brand). I hope for that fate but the odds are stacked against Harsin and most coaches.
And while I did not appreciate the product being fielded by Gus he understood recruiting. Yet, he had his faults. OL most notably. That strategy was arse. But he also attracted a set of kids that were excited about the more relaxed program that our major western conference competitors do not invite. There’s no mistake that we saw an exodus of talent when Harsin came in. And there’s no mistake that most of those kids went to lesser levels.
I don’t fault any fan for impatience. It comes in short supply when your previously average coach is replaced by a guy with zero emotional capital due to conference/region/other barrier. We’ll just have to see what happens
it work but it takes time too with a guy like Harsin (in comparison to a guy like Saban or even Kirby who knows the winning blueprint and had a known brand). I hope for that fate but the odds are stacked against Harsin and most coaches.
And while I did not appreciate the product being fielded by Gus he understood recruiting. Yet, he had his faults. OL most notably. That strategy was arse. But he also attracted a set of kids that were excited about the more relaxed program that our major western conference competitors do not invite. There’s no mistake that we saw an exodus of talent when Harsin came in. And there’s no mistake that most of those kids went to lesser levels.
I don’t fault any fan for impatience. It comes in short supply when your previously average coach is replaced by a guy with zero emotional capital due to conference/region/other barrier. We’ll just have to see what happens
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:09 pm to TheJones
That is kind of my point. There are no imaginary barriers that keep us from any level in this sport. We are here now because of poor leadership. This last round from Gus and JJ. I will give Harsin the same leeway as I did for Tubs, Chiz and Gus.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:12 pm to TheJones
It's also becoming increasingly public that some of our athletic woes can be put at the feet of the BOT. I'm not quite sure what to make of the recent Ron Burgess news or what that means for the AD, but the thought that we could cede our position in the SEC to Texas A&M or others simply because the BOT is cheap is disturbing. There appears to be a disconnect between the desires and expectations of the fanbase and the willingness of the people at the top to get the things done to make Auburn successful.
All this 10 years out from a national championship.
All this 10 years out from a national championship.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:32 pm to AUEE13
Micah Riley-Ducker just committed.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:47 pm to metafour
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3*/3* K Cody Parkey
4*/4* LB Jake Holland (was a 3-star at this point when committed - only upgraded to 4* late in the cycle after his Senior season)
3*/4* ATH Shaun Kitchens
5*/4* OT Shon Coleman (was a 3-star at this point when committed - made a massive jump during Senior season and Army All-American Bowl showing)
4*/3* WR Jeremy Richardson
3*/3* LB Jawara White
3*/3* LB Jessel Curry
3*/NR CB Jonathan Mincy
So we are trying to compare 8 commits to 4 commits. And 3 4stars of the 8 and 1 4 star of the 4. You're proving everyone's point for them. Not even comparable. Plus we took 38 players that year. We most likely won't even get half of that this year.
Everyone hopes recruiting takes off. But for now it's complete trash for what is expected, new coach or not.
We signed 12 Top 300 players in the country that year. Plus Cam. We have 1 this year. Top 300 is where I would expect most "fans" would think an upper tier SEC school would get most of their starters from. That's my expectation. If you disagree, why?
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:49 pm to metafour
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Micah Riley-Ducker just committed.
Nice pickup. Should be a solid contributor as he ages in the system.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:57 pm to CorchJay
I feel pretty good about beating out Ferentz and Ol' Bert for a TE. Hopefully the momentum will continue.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:03 pm to AUEE13
Definitely a good pickup. Seems to be a very willing blocker in the open field and at the end of the line of scrimmage. Good hands from his high lights.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:07 pm to CorchJay
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So we are trying to compare 8 commits to 4 commits. And 3 4stars of the 8 and 1 4 star of the 4. You're proving everyone's point for them. Not even comparable. Plus we took 38 players that year. We most likely won't even get half of that this year.
Way to miss his point.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:07 pm to CorchJay
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So we are trying to compare 8 commits to 4 commits.
1) Last I checked, we have 22 slots in this class, and that number will shrink even more (Demetris Robertson?). Less spots means less room to take players, hence there is less leeway to just take commitments. Its not a complicated concept. It's also now 8 commits to 5 commits with the commit we just landed. What exactly is your point?
2) Chizik's 2010 class also wasn't sidetracked by COVID lmao. You understand that for players to commit, you need to get them on campus multiple times, right?
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And 3 4stars of the 8 and 1 4 star of the 4. You're proving everyone's point for them.
Uhm, read the parts in brackets. It wasn't "3 4-stars" - it was 0.5 in Kitchens and 0.5 in Richardson as both were 4-stars on only one service (kind of like how Riley-Ducker is a 4-star on Rivals and a 3-star on 247). Holland and Coleman were 3-stars when they committed, you don't get to count their final rankings as by the same logic Powell Gordon could put up 20 sacks this year and end up a Top 100 recruit. Since we can ONLY count the current commits based off their current rankings, the same logic must be applied to the Chizik 2010 class if you want to perform a comparison.
Holden Geriner is actually a bigger "get" at this point than anyone on that Chizik list. Consensus 4-star on both sites. Elite 11 QB. Again, Shon Coleman was a 3-star when he committed to Auburn.
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Plus we took 38 players that year.
Right, so refer back to point #1 above. You just tanked your own "8 commits vs. 5 commits" point. Having slots for 38 players means you can be more aggressive in accepting commitments, duh.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:17 pm to metafour
Either you are talking in circles to try to prove a point or I just totally miss the point.
The Covid bullshite is that total bullshite. Every school except Arizona State has dealt with the same thing.
The Covid bullshite is that total bullshite. Every school except Arizona State has dealt with the same thing.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 7:17 pm to AUCE05
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We are here now because of poor leadership.
bullshite. We were better off with Gus and JJ than most of the duo's on my lifetime. You guys act like Auburn was total shite the past 10 years. We won a natty, played for another one and recruited most of the top players in the teams history. You have no idea what "Bad leadership" is. The program was out of trouble, off probation and competed.
Maybe we missed on some o line recruits but to say we didnt recruit any is just dumb. I think some of you just like to hear yourself blab BS out.
Trust me, it is going to be a while before you see the ups that you say in the past 10 years. You should remember them and hope that you get half that many in the next 10 years
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