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Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:40 am to Raz4back
OR they run teams that don't field a defense at all and try to score 100 points to beat other teams. Like at Memphis.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:41 am to rockiee
I said in the OP that my answer was easy.
Public discourse is a good thing.
Public discourse is a good thing.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:44 am to BoarEd
Judging by the responses so far, I think some of our fans need to be informed that we are in the Southeastern conference, Western division. An elite offense with a mediocre defense would be dandy in the Big 12, or PAC-12, not the SEC.
Petrino seems to be the standard, and I don't understand why. In 2010 we lost to #1 Alabama, #7 Auburn, and #6 Ohio State, with wins against #18 South Carolina, and #6 LSU, tied for 2nd in our division.
In 2011, we lost to #3 Alabama, and #1 LSU, with wins against #14 aTm, #15 Auburn, #10 South Carolina, and #10 Kansas State, 3rd in our division.
Certainly respectable, even great seasons, but that is about the pinnacle of what we can hope to achieve with an elite offense, and a half-assed defense in the SEC.
Edit to add: the answer for our situation is Venables, and it isn't close.
Petrino seems to be the standard, and I don't understand why. In 2010 we lost to #1 Alabama, #7 Auburn, and #6 Ohio State, with wins against #18 South Carolina, and #6 LSU, tied for 2nd in our division.
In 2011, we lost to #3 Alabama, and #1 LSU, with wins against #14 aTm, #15 Auburn, #10 South Carolina, and #10 Kansas State, 3rd in our division.
Certainly respectable, even great seasons, but that is about the pinnacle of what we can hope to achieve with an elite offense, and a half-assed defense in the SEC.
Edit to add: the answer for our situation is Venables, and it isn't close.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:45 am to troyt37
Agreed.
Teams don't win championships without elite defenses. Especially in the SEC.
Teams don't win championships without elite defenses. Especially in the SEC.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:47 am to troyt37
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Petrino seems to be the standard, and I don't understand why. In 2010 we lost to #1 Alabama, #7 Auburn, and #6 Ohio State, with wins against #18 South Carolina, and #6 LSU, tied for 2nd in our division.
In 2011, we lost to #3 Alabama, and #1 LSU, with wins against #14 aTm, #15 Auburn, #10 South Carolina, and #10 Kansas State, 3rd in our division.
Certainly respectable, even great seasons, but that is about the pinnacle of what we can hope to achieve with an elite offense, and a half-assed defense in the SEC.
I mean I think its great that the ultimate goal is a NC but people would take Petrino results in a heartbeat.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:49 am to rockiee
They would be accepting mediocrity and it quickly wouldn't be good enough.
Losing to Alabama year after year would have eventually done Petrino in too.
Look at A&M. Perfect example of a team that sells the farm for a great offense. Never does shite with it. Cost their coach his job.
Defense wins in the SEC.
Losing to Alabama year after year would have eventually done Petrino in too.
Look at A&M. Perfect example of a team that sells the farm for a great offense. Never does shite with it. Cost their coach his job.
Defense wins in the SEC.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:55 am to BoarEd
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They would be accepting mediocrity
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Losing to Alabama year after year would have eventually done Petrino in too.
Sure, would have been a while though. But it wouldn't just be the Bama games.
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Defense wins the SEC.
FTFY
Posted on 11/28/17 at 11:58 am to rockiee
How would it be anything other than accepting mediocrity if you are knowingly hamstringing your ability to win your conference championship?
Do you not think a team should strive to be the best it possibly can?
Do you not think a team should strive to be the best it possibly can?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:00 pm to BoarEd
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Do you not think a team should strive to be the best it possibly can?
Sure, while also being realistic. Which you haven't been lately.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:02 pm to BoarEd
Who's gonna be his staff? What kind of offense will he run?
This isn't the place for on the job training.
This isn't the place for on the job training.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:02 pm to rockiee
How have I not been realistic? You don't think we could hire Venables? I do.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:03 pm to Woopigsooie20
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Who's gonna be his staff? What kind of offense will he run?
I imagine those would be questions asked during the interview process. But if I hear anything I'll pass it along.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:05 pm to BoarEd
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How have I not been realistic?
Overall? No, you think Petrino was mediocre. You live in a unrealistic world if you believe that.
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You don't think we could hire Venables?
Sure but you are making all these jumps in logic because he is a defensive first guy.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:08 pm to rockiee
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Sure but you are making all these jumps in logic because he is a defensive first guy.
No I'm not. I don't labor under some delusion that he would build and Alabama-esque program here. I just think he's the best chance at something like that that is available to us.
I think he is head and shoulders a better candidate than Norvell.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:10 pm to BoarEd
So, everything is championship or bust to you, right? Everything but a championship is mediocre?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:17 pm to rockiee
Only if you knowingly set yourself up in a manner that all but excludes you from having a chance at one. That is "settling". And I don't want to see the Hogs EVER settle for less than the best.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:31 pm to rockiee
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I mean I think its great that the ultimate goal is a NC but people would take Petrino results in a heartbeat.
Well sure, but Petrino isn't coming back to Arkansas, and has done no better than 2nd in the ACC in his second stint as the Louisville coach. I don't think he's won 10 games in any of the 4 years he's been back, even with Florida State crapping out this year.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:34 pm to BoarEd
Spell this out for you.
Head coaching experience is more valuable than DC experience. Norvell even has limited experience but at least he has some. With Norvell we know what offense we’re getting and an idea of the defense with the bonus of limited program management experience.
Venables we know the defense( with OU and Clemson talent) we are getting and not a clue as to the type of offense. Plus the variables of not being a HC yet and learning from the get go.
Head coaching experience is more valuable than DC experience. Norvell even has limited experience but at least he has some. With Norvell we know what offense we’re getting and an idea of the defense with the bonus of limited program management experience.
Venables we know the defense( with OU and Clemson talent) we are getting and not a clue as to the type of offense. Plus the variables of not being a HC yet and learning from the get go.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:35 pm to rockiee
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quote: Defense wins the SEC.
FTFY
And if the last 15 years has taught us anything, winning the SEC gives you a pretty good shot at winning it all. So tell me again why having a mediocre defense is acceptable?
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