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re: We may be worse in football this year..
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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from time to time
Operative words. If you watched our games this year, you know as well as I do that a large percentage of our called pass plays end up being runs. That's not really scrambling, that is the QB pulling the ball down and running because the receiver isn't open, he doesn't see them open, or he doesn't have the ability to throw them open.
There's a big difference here, but if you can't or won't see it, then just drop it. Mobile quarterbacks are almost always a good thing, but not when a defense knows that if they cover your #1 receiver, the QB is as likely as not to pull it down and run. It works okay until your QB has taken enough punishment that he doesn't know what city he is in. But it doesn't change the fact that your O-line is left half assed run blocking, and half assed pass blocking. What they end up is half assed, and I think that is a product of this kind of offense. It isn't an accident that the Big 12 and PAC-12 is not known for their dominant offensive lines.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:24 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
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Meanwhile, Enos will be stuck with an empty QB room if KJ goes down again.
Not much faith in Criswell?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:58 pm to troyt37
quote:you sound like my dad
Operative words. If you watched our games this year, you know as well as I do that a large percentage of our called pass plays end up being runs. That's not really scrambling, that is the QB pulling the ball down and running because the receiver isn't open, he doesn't see them open, or he doesn't have the ability to throw them open. There's a big difference here, but if you can't or won't see it, then just drop it. Mobile quarterbacks are almost always a good thing, but not when a defense knows that if they cover your #1 receiver, the QB is as likely as not to pull it down and run.
everytime we run the ball and it gets stuffed he used to say, “why the hell would he call that!” As if the coach called for a guy to miss his block and for the play to get stuffed. This whole conversation started because I was flabbergasted by the fact you think it is somehow briles or the offensive lines fault that kj takes off and runs a lot. Part of that is the fact that’s who kj is as a qb. Same as Tebow was, cam was and dak was in college. I promise neither briles nor any other oc in the country is teaching guys to take off and run after your first read is covered unless you just have god awful receivers and an absolute stud at qb. And I noticed kj scrambling for yards which plenty of other qbs do and I’ve seen him scrambling and then delivering the ball to open receivers, most notably this year after he scrambled after escaping a sack against byu then finding trey Knox, and the year before when he scrambled after escaping a sack vs lsu and finding Dominique Johnson for a touchdown. A qb who has to scramble a lot is usually a sign of sub par pass blocking, not the other way around. Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:06 pm to troyt37
quote:also I’ll address this in its own post. I coached offensive line for 4 years at the high school level. Players aren’t coached to start run blocking on pass plays. If it’s an rpo or play action your taught to block 3 steps downfield in the direction the run might go (rpo) or run is disguised to go (play action) then stop after 3 steps, so as to not be called for blocking downfield, or if you are running rpo’s with a very advanced qb you can just call the run play for the oline and if the qb sees the receiver come open he’ll pull it and deliver the ball. And drop back passes they are taught to slide to the direction they’re told pre snap and block a specified gap or zone, regardless of whether it’s a down lineman or blitzer. If no one comes through your area of responsibility you can help where it’s needed. No one on the offensive line ever decides to switch into run blocking mode on scrambles unless maybe it’s a tackle who sees the qb already break a tackle and start directing traffic but that’s no different than him doing it with receivers and backs, and that isn’t shite you practice it just sort of happens. Most of the time if it’s a pass play the o line will be pass blocking even if the qb decides to run. It’s just a situation where the pocket collapses so he’s forced to run (bad line play) or he sees the defense get pushed up field thereby opening up a run lane. I promise it isn’t confusing the offensive line by kj deciding to scramble.
But it doesn't change the fact that your O-line is left half assed run blocking, and half assed pass blocking. What they end up is half assed, and I think that is a product of this kind of offense.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:09 pm to gohogs141
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Not much faith in Criswell?
Criswell is 1000% better than Hornsby.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:11 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
You keep coming up with things I didn't say. I said I think our shitty O=line play is as least in part due to the fact that in this offense, they really have no way of knowing whether they should be run or pass blocking. You can't really knock them on their pass blocking if the call was for a run, but got changed post snap, can you. How do you knock them on their run blocking when the play call was for a pass, but KJ handed it off?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
This kind of answers my last post, but the fact remains that our O-line hasn't been doing whatever they are supposed to be doing very well. Are you saying we just have shitty players who aren't capable of doing what they are taught? Pittman has engineered some of the best offensive lines in college football. What has changed? The offense they are trying to run maybe?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:34 pm to troyt37
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Here's a stat for you. In our 12 games this year, we had 19 quarters of football where we were held to less than 7 points in a quarter.
Our crappy defense that was so bad that Odom needed to go? Yeah, they held our opponents to less than 7 points for 22 quarters of football.
And??????
The only stat that matters is the final score. Why don't you put those up for scoring offense vs scoring defense.
Is this some kind of troll or something? Poor attempt.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:36 pm to gohogs141
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Criswell
I honestly forgot about Criswell.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:01 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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And?????? The only stat that matters is the final score. Why don't you put those up for scoring offense vs scoring defense.
And an effective offense would score at least one touchdown in 15:00 of football. That’s anywhere from 1-5 posessions. Our fabulous ex-OC and his kick arse offense failed to score at least a TD in a full 4-3/4 games out of 12.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 6:27 pm to troyt37
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And an effective offense would score at least one touchdown in 15:00 of football. That’s anywhere from 1-5 posessions. Our fabulous ex-OC and his kick arse offense failed to score at least a TD in a full 4-3/4 games out of 12.
Plus, according to the "final score," we lost six games. I'm not sure how that's supposed to disprove anything substantial.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:18 am to dammitbert
We were good offensively for the most part. Take away 2 plays against aTm and start KJ against State and LSU and our season looked a lot different.
I know you play with what you got but let’s not pretend that our backups really gave us much of a shot
I know you play with what you got but let’s not pretend that our backups really gave us much of a shot
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:36 am to sugatowng
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I know you play with what you got but let’s not pretend that our backups really gave us much of a shot
And whose fault was it when KJ went down and we didn't have a backup QB ready?
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:13 am to sugatowng
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We were good offensively for the most part.
Disagree. We struggled to be mediocre offensively, outside of KJ going ham on a fairly regular basis.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:13 am to troyt37
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Disagree. We struggled to be mediocre offensively, outside of KJ going ham on a fairly regular basis.
But KJ going ham is part of the briles scheme and player development.
We were decent on offense outside of the turnover issues and the couple games we didn't show up for. We were in the top half of the conference in every offensive statistic.
That's not an offense struggling to be mediocre but a decent offense that was good at times.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:54 am to oklahogjr
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But KJ going ham is part of the briles scheme and player development.
I don’t see that as a sign of a good, effective offense, a well thought out scheme, nor a competent, effective OC. Someone else posted it somewhere, it’s the Houston Nutt offense, where the plan was for Matt Jones to pull something out of his arse through sheer will and athleticism.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 11:15 am to troyt37
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don’t see that as a sign of a good, effective offense, a well thought out scheme, nor a competent, effective OC. Someone else posted it somewhere, it’s the Houston Nutt offense, where the plan was for Matt Jones to pull something out of his arse through sheer will and athleticism.
I could see that comparison but it's a gross over simplification in how the offenses work and how both called plays. They do have some similarities at times which was frustrating but the briles offense is light years better than the nutt offenses
Nutt would have taught kj how to run against a bear front instead of calling different plays and taking what the defense gave him .....
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:22 pm to oklahogjr
I’ll keep throwing out statistics and facts, until some of you notice.
By my count, we had 167 possessions this year. Now, some of this may be skewed a little, because a pick 6 shows as a possession, as does end of half/end of game.
Anyway, out of 167 possessions, we either punted or turned it over on downs 73 times. That’s almost a 44% turnover rate, NOT counting fumbles or interceptions.
Mediocre at best? I’d say so.
By my count, we had 167 possessions this year. Now, some of this may be skewed a little, because a pick 6 shows as a possession, as does end of half/end of game.
Anyway, out of 167 possessions, we either punted or turned it over on downs 73 times. That’s almost a 44% turnover rate, NOT counting fumbles or interceptions.
Mediocre at best? I’d say so.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:42 pm to troyt37
Wouldn't that be skewed by the style of offense?
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:07 pm to silverstreak
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Wouldn't that be skewed by the style of offense?
Maybe, I don’t know. I do know that any style of offense that averages turning the ball over to the other team >44% of the time can’t be considered effective or good. Remember, this doesn’t include picks or fumbles.
I’m not going to take the time to run the numbers for another team, but damn.
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