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re: We may be worse in football this year..
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:17 pm to troyt37
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:17 pm to troyt37
We were a top 25 FEI offensive efficiency team this year..... That accounts for several things mentioned above such as style and garbage possessions.
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Offense Fremeau Efficiency Index ratings (OFEI) represent the per-possession scoring advantage each offense would be expected to have on a neutral field against an average opponent. Offensive drive efficiency (ODE) is scoring value gained or lost per offensive drive. Touchdown rate (OTD) is the percentage of offensive drives that result in a touchdown. Value drive rate (OVD) is the percentage of offensive drives that conclude with a drive end value greater than the drive start value based on field position. First down rate (OFD) is the percentage of offensive drives that earn at least one first down. Busted drive rate (OBD) is the percentage of offensive drives that gain zero or negative yards. Turnover rate (OTO) is the percentage of offensive drives that end with an interception or fumble.
Overall records (Rec) and records against FBS opponents (FBS) are specified. Ratings and supporting data are calculated from the results of non-garbage possessions in FBS vs. FBS games
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:33 pm to oklahogjr
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We were a top 25 FEI offensive efficiency team this year...
Which means what, when you can essentially flip a coin for every offensive possession between whether we score or whether we turn the ball over to the other team?
We punted 6 times vs. A&M, one more scoring possession and we win the game.
We punted 9 times vs. LSU, one more TD and we win the game.
We punted 8 times vs. Liberty, you know the story.
That puts us at 10-3, sitting pretty.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:31 pm to troyt37
I think we all know that offense wasn't the main problem this year.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:39 pm to troyt37
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Which means what, when you can essentially flip a coin for every offensive possession between whether we score or whether we turn the ball over to the other team?
We punted 6 times vs. A&M, one more scoring possession and we win the game.
We punted 9 times vs. LSU, one more TD and we win the game.
We punted 8 times vs. Liberty, you know the story.
That puts us at 10-3, sitting pretty.
So what's your issue with the FEI evaluation of efficiency given their methodology? Let's look at the body of work as a whole vs some one off examples. If our efficiency was better we certainly would have won more games.
And if there's nothing wrong with their methodology how can a top 25 offense be bad? It could be better but it wasn't bad.
I think you've got a handful of sour grape examples here when the offense didn't bail us out. Where the rating gives them a fair season long comparison to other teams based on overall performance.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:43 pm to silverstreak
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I think we all know that offense wasn't the main problem this year.
Well, not all of us. I’ve posted evidence after evidence that for all the suck that was our defense, our offense was worse.
I agree that the offense saved the defense’s arse in a couple of games, but the defense played well enough to win 3 more games this year, and the offense let us down.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:47 pm to troyt37
Defense played well enough to win maybe 2 more games this year. Offense played well enough to win the majority that we did.
Man, our Defense even in the liberty bowl, to be up as much as we were and slow it down (thanks Pittman) the D couldn't hold a small fart bro.
Defense was horrendous over all, using the same efficiency ratings. Our Offense was top 25... Defense bottom 25. You have a predisposition for hating our Offense for some odd reason. Both could be better, but if the offense was bad, the Defensed had many "hold my beer" moments!
Man, our Defense even in the liberty bowl, to be up as much as we were and slow it down (thanks Pittman) the D couldn't hold a small fart bro.
Defense was horrendous over all, using the same efficiency ratings. Our Offense was top 25... Defense bottom 25. You have a predisposition for hating our Offense for some odd reason. Both could be better, but if the offense was bad, the Defensed had many "hold my beer" moments!
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:51 pm to oklahogjr
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So what's your issue with the FEI evaluation of efficiency given their methodology?
Without going back to look, it gives credit/points for first downs, some kind of points for drives with better than expected results whatever that is, and a couple of other things that I noticed.
Offense is on the field to score, and not give the ball to the opponent’s offense. I think what I compiled does a much better job of illustrating that.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:53 pm to troyt37
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Well, not all of us. I’ve posted evidence after evidence that for all the suck that was our defense, our offense was worse.
I agree that the offense saved the defense’s arse in a couple of games, but the defense played well enough to win 3 more games this year, and the offense let us down.
Offense- 30.9 ppg
Defense- 22.9 ppg
2022
Offense- 32.5 ppg
Defense- 30.6 ppg
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:55 pm to Razorback Reverend
I can post it for the umpteenth time I guess. Defense gave up 16 to aTm, 13 to LSU, and held Liberty to a field goal in the second half, after being dogged out by the offense the entire first half.
That’s 3 games where the defense easily played well enough to win the game, if the offense had come to play.
That’s 3 games where the defense easily played well enough to win the game, if the offense had come to play.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 2:57 pm to silverstreak
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2021
Offense- 30.9 ppg
Defense- 22.9 ppg
2022
Offense- 32.5 ppg
Defense- 30.6 ppg
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:07 pm to Feral
I agree the average is bad, but the fact remains that in giving up 21 to Liberty, 13 to LSU, and 16 to aTm, they cave up significantly less in those games.
What does that say about our offense in those games, considering they were all losses?
What does that say about our offense in those games, considering they were all losses?
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:26 pm to troyt37
I feel like we're splitting hairs at this point, but we fumbled at the 1 against A&M, fumbled into the endzone against Missouri St, and turned it over on downs against LSU inside the 5 (assuming Sam decided to go for it). Had any of those gone our way, the whole debate changes and we likely have 1-2 more wins.
The offense also had to come from down 17-0 against Missouri St, but because we won, that isn't mentioned often.
The offense also had to come from down 17-0 against Missouri St, but because we won, that isn't mentioned often.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 3:49 pm to troyt37
Cherry picking i suppose...
Good on them for those three games. Which isn't saying much about them if the offenses on those teams were absolutely terrible at that time.
So, let's go game by game. TAMU LOLOLOLZZZ! Dude, their offensed sucked donkey kong. Nice Job Odom. LSU at that time was terrible, but kuddos to Odom I suppose. Liberty, What division do they play in... Well, I will give a bit more credit because of Freeze. Freeze whould send Pittman, Briles, and Odom a gift for getting him back as a HC in the SEC.
Now, We had to score 31 to beat a Cincinnati team that was decimated by draft, and players leaving. WTG Briles...
Odom? Nahh!
44 against USCe... Odom, not bad I suppose. Held the to lol, 30 But this was also prior to Rattler getting much improved for the season.
Missouri State... Dang Odom. We almost lost because of your Defense. Thank God Briles had us tuned up! 38 points by the good guys should always win against teams like this, even with BP as coach.
Bama, during their worst season in years... Yeah, still bama. Give him a break here.
Miss State... 40 fricking points given up. FIRE ODOM NOW! Our offense wasn't good either... but... 40 pts. and you want to get onto Briles. Yeah/NO!
BYU, well done everyone! Next game please
Auburn, LOLZZZ sure... Good job everyone.. against the worst Auburn we will see in a long time imho
Ole Miss, BRILES COMING OUT PARTY>>>> WOW Well DOne Briles
Odom??? Yeah, ok
Mizzou, FIRE THEM ALL!.. until the next day... lol
Kansas... 55/53. TY Briles for doing an incredible job while (SARCASM HERE) obviously job hopping, looking for a much deserved raise and respect considering what the Defense has given you the past two years. Nice to see you can multitask . WPS!
Seriously man. Defense sucked donkey dong always, Offense sucked it sort of. IMHO of course.
Good on them for those three games. Which isn't saying much about them if the offenses on those teams were absolutely terrible at that time.
So, let's go game by game. TAMU LOLOLOLZZZ! Dude, their offensed sucked donkey kong. Nice Job Odom. LSU at that time was terrible, but kuddos to Odom I suppose. Liberty, What division do they play in... Well, I will give a bit more credit because of Freeze. Freeze whould send Pittman, Briles, and Odom a gift for getting him back as a HC in the SEC.
Now, We had to score 31 to beat a Cincinnati team that was decimated by draft, and players leaving. WTG Briles...
Odom? Nahh!
44 against USCe... Odom, not bad I suppose. Held the to lol, 30 But this was also prior to Rattler getting much improved for the season.
Missouri State... Dang Odom. We almost lost because of your Defense. Thank God Briles had us tuned up! 38 points by the good guys should always win against teams like this, even with BP as coach.
Bama, during their worst season in years... Yeah, still bama. Give him a break here.
Miss State... 40 fricking points given up. FIRE ODOM NOW! Our offense wasn't good either... but... 40 pts. and you want to get onto Briles. Yeah/NO!
BYU, well done everyone! Next game please
Auburn, LOLZZZ sure... Good job everyone.. against the worst Auburn we will see in a long time imho
Ole Miss, BRILES COMING OUT PARTY>>>> WOW Well DOne Briles
Odom??? Yeah, ok
Mizzou, FIRE THEM ALL!.. until the next day... lol
Kansas... 55/53. TY Briles for doing an incredible job while (SARCASM HERE) obviously job hopping, looking for a much deserved raise and respect considering what the Defense has given you the past two years. Nice to see you can multitask . WPS!
Seriously man. Defense sucked donkey dong always, Offense sucked it sort of. IMHO of course.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 4:02 pm to troyt37
LSU had 18 quarters scoring less than 7.
Ole Miss had 20 quarters.
Georgia had 15 quarters.
We had 19 quarters with 5 occurring with a backup qb
Briles is a good OC and Enos will hold his own as well. The biggest difference will be recruiting. Briles can get kids on campus. Maryland didn’t sign 1 kid in the top 1,000 on offense this year.
Ole Miss had 20 quarters.
Georgia had 15 quarters.
We had 19 quarters with 5 occurring with a backup qb
Briles is a good OC and Enos will hold his own as well. The biggest difference will be recruiting. Briles can get kids on campus. Maryland didn’t sign 1 kid in the top 1,000 on offense this year.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 4:31 pm to troyt37
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Without going back to look, it gives credit/points for first downs, some kind of points for drives with better than expected results whatever that is, and a couple of other things that I noticed.
Offense is on the field to score, and not give the ball to the opponent’s offense. I think what I compiled does a much better job of illustrating that.
The problem i see with what you compiled is I'm lacking a way to compare it and know if those numbers are good or bad. I also do think offenses who get more first downs and drive the ball are better than offenses who don't even help field position. In football traditionally is a game of inches where field position matters. Our defense negated that advantage often though
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:11 pm to Razorback Reverend
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So, let's go game by game. TAMU LOLOLOLZZZ! Dude, their offensed sucked donkey kong.
An our offense punted or turned it over on downs 6 times that game, not counting the actual turnovers.
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Liberty, What division do they play in... Well, I will give a bit more credit because of Freeze. Freeze whould send Pittman, Briles, and Odom a gift for getting him back as a HC in the SEC.
We punted or turned it over on downs 8 times in the Liberty game, not counting actual turnovers. They shut us down in the first half, we shut them down in the second half. Sounds like their defense was just a little better against our offense than our defense was against their offense. Defense still only gave up 24 or something. What division are they in again?
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Now, We had to score 31 to beat a Cincinnati team that was decimated by draft, and players leaving. WTG Briles... Odom? Nahh!
Think about that a second. 31 points is 5 scoring drives. 4 touchdowns and a field goal. We average somewhere around 13 offensive possessions per game. So good job on Briles for failing something like 60% of the time, but boo for Odom for making the other team fail more than that, right?
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44 against USCe... Odom, not bad I suppose. Held the to lol, 30 But this was also prior to Rattler getting much improved for the season.
I guess LSU and Rattler magically got better after playing us.
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Missouri State... Dang Odom. We almost lost because of your Defense. Thank God Briles had us tuned up! 38 points by the good guys should always win against teams like this, even with BP as coach.
If I’m not mistaken, we scored like 23 in the 4th quarter to win the game, because our offense was arse the whole game. Could be wrong.
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Miss State... 40 fricking points given up. FIRE ODOM NOW! Our offense wasn't good either... but... 40 pts. and you want to get onto Briles. Yeah/NO!
We had 12 possessions in the State game, punted or turned it over on downs 7 times.
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Seriously man. Defense sucked donkey dong always, Offense sucked it sort of. IMHO of course.
They certainly sucked, but not always. Imagine what our offense would have been if KJ was lost first game, then Hornsby, then Rocket or Haselwood, or Landers all got hurt pretty much at the same time. That’s what happened to the defense.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:25 pm to troyt37
how many points per game and what percentage of possessions are you expecting us to score on? like what are our indicator points to know good bad, mediocre?
Posted on 1/23/23 at 5:32 pm to oklahogjr
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how many points per game and what percentage of possessions are you expecting us to score on? like what are our indicator points to know good bad, mediocre?
THis, and once more.. I promise you, We would have scored more if Pittman had chilled. See BYU, Liberty Bowl, and Ole Miss for case in point. Dude let the reigns loose for BYU, admitted it concerning Briles.
SLowed down against OM, and in the Liberty bowl (way too soon) You really are willing to die on this hill i suppose. Cheers to ya man!
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:28 pm to troyt37
I’m not a fan of going for it on 4th down while in field goal range early in games. Seems we rarely made it and the missing out on 3 points seemed to bite us in the arse at the end of games.
We have a solid kicker, use him.
It’s a kick in the gut to the players to come up empty for no good reason.
We have a solid kicker, use him.
It’s a kick in the gut to the players to come up empty for no good reason.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:06 pm to oklahogjr
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how many points per game and what percentage of possessions are you expecting us to score on? like what are our indicator points to know good bad, mediocre?
There’s no way to put a number to it, but certainly when you need to score. You know when you’re behind? When one or two scores would win the game? It’s just like blaming Pittman for pulling the reins. That doesn’t mean shite everything up and don’t get first downs so the clock keeps rolling.
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