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We may be worse in football this year..
Posted by troyt37
on 1/18/23 at 9:27 pm
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3But it won’t be because Briles isn’t our OC. Or at least not only because of it. If Odom needed to go, Briles absolutely needed to go too.
KJ’s potential has been wasted, with a tremendous amount of punishment being taken on plays where everyone knew he was the ball carrier. While watching that happen game after game, nobody was prepared to stand in competently if KJ was injured.
We had entirely too many games where the offense completely shite the bed. Often we looked like a national championship caliber team between the 20 yard lines only to shite it up in the red zone with a bad play call that didn’t put our players in a position to succeed.
Briles can #runitback to the dying Big 12, which is about to become much easier to dominate, and where teams are rewarded with playoff positions for playing in a weakass conference.
KJ’s potential has been wasted, with a tremendous amount of punishment being taken on plays where everyone knew he was the ball carrier. While watching that happen game after game, nobody was prepared to stand in competently if KJ was injured.
We had entirely too many games where the offense completely shite the bed. Often we looked like a national championship caliber team between the 20 yard lines only to shite it up in the red zone with a bad play call that didn’t put our players in a position to succeed.
Briles can #runitback to the dying Big 12, which is about to become much easier to dominate, and where teams are rewarded with playoff positions for playing in a weakass conference.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Razorback Reverend 
on 1/18/23 at 9:30 pm to troyt37
on 1/18/23 at 9:30 pm to troyt37here we go....
Disagree about your premise overall. With our Oline sucking it up, Briles was a very good OC... and if Pittman would have left him alone at times... we would have won a couple more imho. But, whatever floats your boat following his leaving
WPS!
Disagree about your premise overall. With our Oline sucking it up, Briles was a very good OC... and if Pittman would have left him alone at times... we would have won a couple more imho. But, whatever floats your boat following his leaving
WPS!
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by dammitbert on 1/18/23 at 9:41 pm to Razorback Reverend
on 1/18/23 at 9:41 pm to Razorback ReverendWell at the end of the day we all have to admit we had a statistically good offense. But we won 6 games. And watching the games... Was painful at times.
We don't know if we got the numbers we did in spite of Pittman meddling, Briles getting too cute, or KJ being bad at anything but deep bombs or tucking and running.
I think we could've put it together better than we did and my personal opinion is it falls on Briles. We've had a good team. Awesome athletes at Qb and RB, several good ones at WR, but several questions on the line and TE.
Laying it all on Pittman is assuming a lot. He gives off Bert vibes REAL bad but the flat out retardedness of our offense has times can't be all his fault.
We don't know if we got the numbers we did in spite of Pittman meddling, Briles getting too cute, or KJ being bad at anything but deep bombs or tucking and running.
I think we could've put it together better than we did and my personal opinion is it falls on Briles. We've had a good team. Awesome athletes at Qb and RB, several good ones at WR, but several questions on the line and TE.
Laying it all on Pittman is assuming a lot. He gives off Bert vibes REAL bad but the flat out retardedness of our offense has times can't be all his fault.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by troyt37 on 1/18/23 at 9:47 pm to Razorback Reverend
on 1/18/23 at 9:47 pm to Razorback ReverendI agree the O-line was bad, really bad at times. I do think part of it though is a product of them not really knowing what they were doing. Think about the number of pass plays that turned into runs, and vice-versa. I doubt they knew whether to run or pass block half of the time. The result was they did neither well. I think this is a product of the kind of offense we run.
I think people go to the moon and back making too much of Pittman pulling the reins. No head coach ever intended that to mean shite the bed and lose the game. It is the OC’s job to make the offense work even when you need to chew up the clock. If your offense works one way, and ONLY one way, you aren’t a very good OC in my opinion. I think that is exactly what we saw with KB, and why our red zone offense was often terrible.
I think people go to the moon and back making too much of Pittman pulling the reins. No head coach ever intended that to mean shite the bed and lose the game. It is the OC’s job to make the offense work even when you need to chew up the clock. If your offense works one way, and ONLY one way, you aren’t a very good OC in my opinion. I think that is exactly what we saw with KB, and why our red zone offense was often terrible.
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re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Razorback Reverend on 1/18/23 at 9:48 pm to dammitbert
on 1/18/23 at 9:48 pm to dammitbertI will agree with some of that. But my man, Sam needs to stay away from the idea of running out the clock. It costs us and almost costs us some more.
Our oline was shambles as well.
and Defense sucked donkey nuggets.
There is so much more that was terrible over our OC who I think will be an incredible HC
Our oline was shambles as well.
and Defense sucked donkey nuggets.
There is so much more that was terrible over our OC who I think will be an incredible HC
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Jack Ruby 
on 1/18/23 at 9:58 pm to Razorback Reverend
on 1/18/23 at 9:58 pm to Razorback ReverendPittman better nail the OC hire or he is going to be on Lake Hamilton this time next year.
Who knows what really happened with Briles situation, but regardless, he was/is one of the better coordinators overall in CFB.
If his D Coordinator hire whiffs as well as a weak OC, he could go 5-7 easy.
Who knows what really happened with Briles situation, but regardless, he was/is one of the better coordinators overall in CFB.
If his D Coordinator hire whiffs as well as a weak OC, he could go 5-7 easy.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by hawgfaninc on 1/18/23 at 11:30 pm to troyt37
on 1/18/23 at 11:30 pm to troyt37quote:
I agree the O-line was bad, really bad at times. I do think part of it though is a product of them not really knowing what they were doing. Think about the number of pass plays that turned into runs, and vice-versa. I doubt they knew whether to run or pass block half of the time. The result was they did neither well. I think this is a product of the kind of offense we run.
I think people go to the moon and back making too much of Pittman pulling the reins. No head coach ever intended that to mean shite the bed and lose the game. It is the OC’s job to make the offense work even when you need to chew up the clock. If your offense works one way, and ONLY one way, you aren’t a very good OC in my opinion. I think that is exactly what we saw with KB, and why our red zone offense was often terrible.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55 on 1/19/23 at 7:31 am to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 7:31 am to troyt37quote:I don’t mean to be an a-hole but this is really really dumb. Audibles have been a part of football for a really long time and every high school team in America has ways of signaling to the oline when a play is changed. Having more ways to diagnose defenses and get into a better situation is never a bad thing. I don’t think that’s what it was at all but even if it was the case it just means we have some of the dullest olineman in America. Which again, is why I highly doubt that’s the reason we failed
I do think part of it though is a product of them not really knowing what they were doing. Think about the number of pass plays that turned into runs, and vice-versa. I doubt they knew whether to run or pass block half of the time.
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re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem on 1/19/23 at 7:35 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
on 1/19/23 at 7:35 am to Hawgnsincebirth55I think with Enos calling plays now, we'll really find out what the problem was. If we're still doing the same shite in the red zone and when we have a big lead, we'll know it was Pitt.
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re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by troyt37 on 1/19/23 at 9:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
on 1/19/23 at 9:05 am to Hawgnsincebirth55Maybe, but just think for a moment how many plays we had that were obviously a pass play, turned into a run when KJ took off, then back to a pass when he found someone. It happened hundreds of times. I’m not talking about pre-snap play changes.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by boogiewoogie1978 on 1/19/23 at 9:12 am to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 9:12 am to troyt37quote:
Briles absolutely needed to go too
I disagree and you will too in 2-3 years.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by boogiewoogie1978 on 1/19/23 at 9:21 am to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 9:21 am to troyt37quote:
We had entirely too many games where the offense completely shite the bed.
How many is too many? There isn't an offense in the country that doesn't struggle 2-3 games out of the year. We had injuries and are not as deep as most teams in the SEC. Also, a lot of the time we are playing superior talent.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem on 1/19/23 at 9:29 am to boogiewoogie1978
on 1/19/23 at 9:29 am to boogiewoogie1978quote:
I disagree and you will too in 2-3 years.
That's easy to say considering he's going to the Big 12-2+2.
Meanwhile, Enos will be stuck with an empty QB room if KJ goes down again.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55 on 1/19/23 at 10:46 am to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 10:46 am to troyt37quote:you mean scrambling? Something quarterbacks have done in football since the forward pass was invented? Yeah I’ve watched pat mahomes, Caleb Williams, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Bryce young, and pretty much every other quarterback who has ever played the game of football do this. Don’t know what the art of scrambling has to do with briles being a shite play caller though.
but just think for a moment how many plays we had that were obviously a pass play, turned into a run when KJ took off, then back to a pass when he found someone. It happened hundreds of times. I’m not talking about pre-snap play changes.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by troyt37 on 1/19/23 at 11:01 am to boogiewoogie1978
on 1/19/23 at 11:01 am to boogiewoogie1978quote:
How many is too many? There isn't an offense in the country that doesn't struggle 2-3 games out of the year.
Here's a stat for you. In our 12 games this year, we had 19 quarters of football where we were held to less than 7 points in a quarter.
Our crappy defense that was so bad that Odom needed to go? Yeah, they held our opponents to less than 7 points for 22 quarters of football.
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We had injuries and are not as deep as most teams in the SEC.
Outside of KJ for a couple of games, our injuries were almost exclusively on the defensive side of the ball. The KJ Jefferson for our defense went down in the first game and never returned, and as you can see above, our defense still outperformed our offense.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by troyt37 on 1/19/23 at 11:04 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
on 1/19/23 at 11:04 am to Hawgnsincebirth55quote:
you mean scrambling? Something quarterbacks have done in football since the forward pass was invented? Yeah I’ve watched pat mahomes, Caleb Williams, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Bryce young, and pretty much every other quarterback who has ever played the game of football do this. Don’t know what the art of scrambling has to do with briles being a shite play caller though.
I didn't say that. I said I think it is part of the explanation for our shitty O-line play. Hell, we were probably penalized for a lineman downfield a half a dozen times this year.
ETA: Do you really consider what KJ did "scrambling"? I always considered scrambling to be moving around extending the play, in order for a receiver to get open. KJ did that at times, of course, but more often than not he became a massive, slow running back after the first or second receiver was not open.
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re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55 on 1/19/23 at 11:52 am to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 11:52 am to troyt37quote:didn’t say what?
I didn't say that
quote:you think having a mobile qb who can scramble is causing us to have shitty o line? I’m confused here
said I think it is part of the explanation for our shitty O-line play.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by troyt37 on 1/19/23 at 12:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
on 1/19/23 at 12:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55quote:
didn’t say what?
I didn't correlate Briles being a shite play caller and our shitty O-line play.
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you think having a mobile qb who can scramble is causing us to have shitty o line? I’m confused here
I think having an O-line that doesn't necessarily know whether they are pass blocking or run blocking at any given moment in any particular play is not conducive to solid O-line play. I think more often than not, they don't know whether to shite or go blind. They don't know if the called pass play has turned into a run, or turned from a pass, into a run, and then back into a pass.
re: We may be worse in football this year..Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55 on 1/19/23 at 12:10 pm to troyt37
on 1/19/23 at 12:10 pm to troyt37quote:what I’m telling you is every qb in America scrambles from time to time from pop Warner to the nfl and o line play maybe blamed for the need to scramble but I’ve never heard of a mobile qb being the reason a team couldn’t do arse block. Hell was Fran tarkentons escapability a detriment to the Vikings 50 years ago? I fail to see how having a mobile qb is causing our line to suck or how any of this is at the feet of briles.
I think having an O-line that doesn't necessarily know whether they are pass blocking or run blocking at any given moment in any particular play is not conducive to solid O-line play. I think more often than not, they don't know whether to shite or go blind. They don't know if the called pass play has turned into a run, or turned from a pass, into a run, and then back into a pass.
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