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re: The coordinators both did their job tonight

Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:53 am to
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:53 am to
Oh no. Don’t use logic. Getting cute was the clear best choice in this situation. Briles is a genius. It was a great call. Hence the level of risk and outcome. I can’t believe people will sit here and defend this crap week in and week out every single year. It never changes with us. Incoming “well, don’t ever expect the Hawgs to not break your heart.” The Superman was stupid. But putting kj in a position where that was even a possibility was extremely stupid. It’s like we practice to find dramatic ways to give the other team the ball and the best chance at a W.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12373 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 7:58 am to
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No reason for qb dive there... Its basically running a qb sneak from shotgun.

At least run some misdirection.


Misdirection...on the goal line?

Again, we run that play many times in high leverage short yardage situations and it's been very successful. Briles had a lot of cutesy bullshite play calls last night, but that play wasn't one of them.

Also, y'all are acting like it was 4th down and we were calling a QB sneak with Hornsby. It was 1st and goal. As Chesh said, if KJ doesn't try to Superman over the line and barrels forward, at best he bulldozes into the end zone and at worst it's 2nd down at the 1.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 7:59 am
Posted by dchog
Pea ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:03 am to
The play wasn't the problem but the execution. I am never in favor of extending the ball out in traffic such as that and expect a fumble not to happen.

That was on Jefferson who has been struggling with fumbles not Briles.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:08 am to
Also.

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Jeff "why won't the coaches just put the ball in the endzone????" Lebowski


Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12373 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:14 am to
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That was on Jefferson who has been struggling with fumbles not Briles.


This.

KJ had a costly fumble last week, and another one where he stretched out to the pylon and almost fumbled for a touchback but was luckily out of bounds.
Posted by JeffLebowski
Member since Feb 2015
1783 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:28 am to
Seems like we aren’t coaching him very well then and we continue to put him into positions to make these costly mistakes. Sounds like poor coaching and play calling. And if people are/were concerned about Sanders fumbling last week, we also have 3 other great rb options to give it to.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12373 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:38 am to
It seems you’re making the mistake of assuming I’m one of Briles dickriders.

Briles certainly has his flaws and I cuss him regularly. He gave us plenty of things to cuss him about last night, but that goal line call was not one of them.
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
Member since Jan 2008
32924 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:39 am to
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Seems like we aren’t coaching him very well then and we continue to put him into positions to make these costly mistakes.


If you listen to some on this board Briars is directly responsible for KJ's development

Posted by WonderWartHawg
Member since Dec 2010
10396 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:58 am to
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Stromberg is one of the best centers in football and he loses us the game on a bad snap.


The bad snap didn't help, but the kick was still easily makeable even after the lost yardage.

I can't blame him.
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12373 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:28 am to
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The bad snap didn't help, but the kick was still easily makeable even after the lost yardage.

I can't blame him.


I do blame Stromberg. Not necessarily for the loss (there’s enough blame to go around), but for completely fricking up what would have likely been a touchdown drive to seal the game.

His bad snap turned 2nd and 4 into 3rd and impossible, and we went from running it down their throats and likely netting a TD from that drive to having to settle for a 42 yarder that we ultimately missed.

Little has to make that, but a TD would’ve absolutely sealed the game. Even if Little makes it, there was plenty of time for A&M to get into range, and their kicker is good.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 9:30 am
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
32637 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 9:45 am to
The Jefferson fumble wasn’t on Briles. That was squarely on KJ. Unfortunately KJ still makes indefensible mental gaffes from time to time.

There are certain things that you can’t really coach up. Bumper Pool realizing that he has no ability to defend a jump ball pass to Achane and instead focusing on moving him out of bounds is an example. Not everyone “gets it”.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 9:47 am
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13310 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:14 am to
So you blame a player who probably only made one mistake the entire game, versus KB who personally killed at least three possessions with cutesy bullshite, and wtf play calls? KJ fumbled on the goal line, which resulted in a 14 point swing. But Stromberg costing us a few yards is worthy of blame?
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12373 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:18 am to
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So you blame a player who probably only made one mistake the entire game, versus KB who personally killed at least three possessions with cutesy bullshite, and wtf play calls? KJ fumbled on the goal line, which resulted in a 14 point swing. But Stromberg costing us a few yards is worthy of blame?


How about reading my fricking post dipshit.

I blamed Stromberg for that possession, not the loss, as stated in the post. KJ’s frickup was on a different possession and much more consequential.

fricking read and keep up before popping off.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13310 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:29 am to
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How about reading my fricking post dipshit. I blamed Stromberg for that possession, not the loss, as stated in the post. KJ’s frickup was on a different possession and much more consequential. fricking read and keep up before popping off.


I did read your post, friend. You called out a player for losing us 8 yards on one drive. Meanwhile we have an OC that cost us 3 drives at least with cutesy bullshite, and wtf play calls. We have a DC who stacked players 25 yards deep on 2nd and 30. We have a quarterback who acted like first and goal was fourth and goal, and it resulted in a 14 point swing. But sure blame Stromberg who cost us 8 yards. Unforgivable.
This post was edited on 9/25/22 at 10:30 am
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15745 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:30 am to
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Misdirection...on the goal line?


Yes.

I'm not talking some razzle dazzle shite, I'm talking read option. At least make the D consider something else.
Posted by CFB_Fanatic
Member since Aug 2016
2269 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 10:52 am to
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He called the dumb frick play that led to it


Terrible take. KJ had been moving the pile pretty easily up to that point. No one told him to go stretch Armstrong from the 5. That’s just a bad decision and lack of awareness on his part
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13310 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:04 am to
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Terrible take. KJ had been moving the pile pretty easily up to that point.


So had our running backs. Why not hand it off to them a couple of times first?
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15745 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:05 am to
Or at least give the impression that you might
Posted by The Sultan of Swine
Member since Nov 2010
7719 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:12 am to
Reaching the ball out toward the goal line is always an unacceptable/selfish risk except on 4th down. I wish more coaches would teach it as such
Posted by CFB_Fanatic
Member since Aug 2016
2269 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 11:14 am to
Then what if they fumbled the exchange? Would be people on here crying why not just let KJ run it in.

Briles had some bad calls certainly but that was not one. It was first and goal....a QB keep from the 5 seems pretty safe
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