Some falsehoods that can finally die

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. It takes 5 years to improve the win output in college athletics, therefore the fans must be "patient" during years of losses. 2x false

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this x1000 if a coach is not successful early he will rarely gain the ability to be successful later. Either your a winner or your not

I think the follow on, "we can't fire a loser coach because we will look unstable and no one will take the job" is equally BS. Reality is there are hundreds of coaches who want a shot to prove themselves in the SEC

In fact I don't know why SEC schools pay so much for coaches. The fact is there is extremely limited supply (openings) and arse loads of demand (wannabe coaches)

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Basketball and Football are different animals in this respect. It does take longer to turn a football program around. Basketball you can do in one year, if you recruit very good players/transfers.

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Bingo. Much quicker to turn around a roster of 12 than a roster of 50+.

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I agree, but our historic win percentage is 0.580. In a 13 game schedule that is 7.5 wins. I think most realistic hog fans understand this intuitively

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I understand where you're coming from, but we also just finished a season with 3 wins that is largely considered a successful season by both fans and neutral parties. Everything is relative to the circumstances at hand.

Not saying we shouldn't expect to win 7-8 games most years, but I don't think that's been a reasonable expectation for a while considering the bungled hires and repeated roster upheavals because of them. I absolutely think Pittman can and will achieve the median win mark and more here, but by the same token, I wasn't expecting him to come in and win half the games on the schedule last year.

I would like to reiterate I agree with the vast majority of your post, but I do think that when it comes to football specifically, we have a tendency to expect more than what's realistic given our situation and the fact that it has landed us around 10th-11th in recruiting against the conference on average.

We had arguably the best or second best set of coordinators/HC in the conference and a 5 star senior QB last year and won 3 games. Our roster is just not in a good spot and hasn't been for a while.

Basketball is obviously a different animal entirely. Our state produces enough talent on its own to be competitive even with a good-not-great coach.

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just finished a season with 3 wins that is largely considered a successful season by both fans and neutral parties. Everything is relative to the circumstances at hand.

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Yep. Last years performance would have fallen into that 7ish win category if we had 3 cupcakes like a normal year. That would have put us at 6-6 (assuming a loss to ND) with a winnable bowl game.

It doesn't look like it but that was an awesome season considering we were robbed of one at Auburn and lost to Mizz in the last second. Were it a regular season that means Sam would have been a few plays away from an 8-4 season.

I think we are going to be dangerous AF in football next year. The only big pieces we lose are Franks and Marshall.

I can’t wait to see what Briles can do with a good OL, he’s been hampered by it both at FSU and last year

You laid it out exactly

I think the 2020 season was a success, given what we were starting with, the all SEC schedule, and how comeptitive we looked in the losses. Hell we made a bowl game

Don’t forget lost at the horn to LSU too

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That’s not saying I think Pittman will fail, on the contrary I think he will succeeed, but if he doesn’t this shouldn’t be disputed.

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It starts with recruiting, and so far, he's been unimpressive. We finished at #25 last year, which is about where we always finish, give or take. He gets a little slack because last year only produced one 4* recruit in the entire state - but that guy went to A&M. It's been a trend for us to lose the top guy basically every year, and that was no exception. These are the first battles we have to start winning. This year, we only have three 4* recruits in the state, with another guy who is like .01 points away from being 4*. And the top one is projected to go to TAMU, yet again, and the fourth one is projected to FSU.

We don't have the leg room to lose all these guys. We have to build that proverbial fence that we've been hearing about for years. It's never been done. I'd like to see Pittman start winning the recruiting battles in our back yard, and then fill the class by cherry picking what we can from the other states.

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If he has more than one disappointing season in the next 3 seasons, he should be let go.

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What’s a disappointing season to you?

I would say less than 7 wins is disappointing, but then surviving the past decade, a disappointing season is having no hope.