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re: Remember when Chris Beard was just a fluke and not an upgrade from Anderson?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:24 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:24 pm to Stonehog
This post was supposed to be a simple question but once I started it was hard to stop- I rambled...
I like Mike too but is there any reason that this team should be barely in the tournament according to the latest projections? I do not/will not believe that we aren’t (or couldn’t be) better than that. There is no way this team of players shouldn’t be at least a 6 seed comfortably. Yes, the sec is better this season but better in a lot of pretty good teams way, not as in it has many great teams. The injury bug hasn’t bitten us either (knock on wood). I guess I feel like I’ve been easy going and patient and I find this season completely frustrating. We looked like crap minimum 75% of the game the other night, thank god these guys have talent- underutilized imo but still talent that outweighed Ole Miss’ or we would have lost. So many angries for me- the offense that stands still, the seniors making lacksidasical passes and that’s all of them. It’s just so argh to me. Why can’t we play pretty ball? The dumb fouls, if you’re going to foul someone at the goal foul then hard so they don’t make the basket (that’s a general frustration that most anyone’s fans would have if I’m being honest). Those two air balls on the same trip down the court, holy shite almost bad news bears play hoops worthy.
I like Mike too but is there any reason that this team should be barely in the tournament according to the latest projections? I do not/will not believe that we aren’t (or couldn’t be) better than that. There is no way this team of players shouldn’t be at least a 6 seed comfortably. Yes, the sec is better this season but better in a lot of pretty good teams way, not as in it has many great teams. The injury bug hasn’t bitten us either (knock on wood). I guess I feel like I’ve been easy going and patient and I find this season completely frustrating. We looked like crap minimum 75% of the game the other night, thank god these guys have talent- underutilized imo but still talent that outweighed Ole Miss’ or we would have lost. So many angries for me- the offense that stands still, the seniors making lacksidasical passes and that’s all of them. It’s just so argh to me. Why can’t we play pretty ball? The dumb fouls, if you’re going to foul someone at the goal foul then hard so they don’t make the basket (that’s a general frustration that most anyone’s fans would have if I’m being honest). Those two air balls on the same trip down the court, holy shite almost bad news bears play hoops worthy.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:38 pm to piggilicious
Eleven point win on the road and you're upset because it wasn't aesthetically pleasing enough for you. You epitomize what's wrong with our fans.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:45 pm to Stonehog
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Eleven point win on the road and you're upset because it wasn't aesthetically pleasing enough for you
Untrue, had it been an anomaly I wouldn’t think much of It. That’s the whole problem, there are giant chunks of ugly in every game we’ve played since conference started at least, this one just happened to say hold my beer.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:12 pm to piggilicious
I see. So you're just expecting perfect basketball in every game. Seems reasonable. 
ETA: #6 Purdue just lost to an 11-16 Wisconsin team. I guess they suck now and should fire their coach.
ETA: #6 Purdue just lost to an 11-16 Wisconsin team. I guess they suck now and should fire their coach.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 8:37 pm to Drewbie
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This thread was made to combat all of the stupid excuses people like you are making for Mike in year 7 at a vastly superior program.
So you think every situation is the same. Did Texas Tech have a coach that sued them for racial discrimination? Were they forced to hire a black coach afterward to save face? Did they have a coach that took the job for one day? Did they have a coach that set records for lowest attendance?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:27 pm to Stonehog
You're proving my point. Through all of that Arkansas on average was STILL better than Texas Tech by a significant margin. Yet Beard can go there and have them top 10 in two years but I'm supposed to believe Mike just needs a DECADE to get even a top 25 team here? It's all excuses.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 pm to Drewbie
He had a top 25 team in year 4 though. Your hate is blinding you to reality and you're exaggerating.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:43 pm to Stonehog
It's really hard to trash CMA's coaching history statistically speaking, whether you like him or not. He's just had a lot of success, period.
Missouri =/= Texas Tech, and Anderson took them to the Elite 8 in year 3. Missouri had back to back losing seasons before CMA got there and scandal. Very similar situation.
Missouri =/= Texas Tech, and Anderson took them to the Elite 8 in year 3. Missouri had back to back losing seasons before CMA got there and scandal. Very similar situation.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:15 pm to UltimateHog
I remember the fear of Kentucky calling pelphrey home during and after his first season and how Arkansas needed to lock him into a long term deal...
Then is second season erased all of that.
Then is second season erased all of that.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:34 pm to DaleDenton
Member when Michael Washington shut down Blake Griffin? Those games against Texas and Oklahoma brought everyone back on board and then we had the worst conference season in history. John Pelphrey took this program down to the depths of a deep, dark butthole, and now Mike has regular sellouts. People have short memories.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:42 am to Stonehog
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Did Texas Tech have a coach that sued them for racial discrimination? Were they forced to hire a black coach afterward to save face? Did they have a coach that took the job for one day? Did they have a coach that set records for lowest attendance?
Well, they did hire Billy Clyde Gillispie.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:22 pm to Cornelius
Mike's philosophy is what makes him successful. I actually appreciate his approach to the college game.
He wants his players to grow up quick and play fearless. Too many kids get to college and are freaked out about doing everything perfect. He knows his kids are going to make mistakes.
With that said I don't think he's the best X's and O's coach
All Mike needs is a 2/3 really talented guys and several underrated role players.
He wants his players to grow up quick and play fearless. Too many kids get to college and are freaked out about doing everything perfect. He knows his kids are going to make mistakes.
With that said I don't think he's the best X's and O's coach
All Mike needs is a 2/3 really talented guys and several underrated role players.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:30 pm to razorbackfan4life
so if we have tournament success does that make the haters quiet? or will we double down that a coach who is beginning to make the tournament regularly now isn't good enough.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:06 pm to oklahogjr
That's a pretty stupid question. You're asking if he accomplishes something he's yet to do in 6 years here (winning 2 tournament games in 6 years is not "tournament success") if it would change the mindset of the fanbase. The obvious answer to that question is yes. The real question is do you honestly think this team is surpassing any ceiling that's already been established the way they have been playing the past 2 months? As I've stated before, how far we go in March depends solely on how long it takes us to get matched up against a team with above average ball handlers.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:15 pm to Drewbie
it truly is unimaginable how some folks cant think through this without vitriol and ignorance.
7 years for a decent coach, 7 decent seasons, do we want to be more than decent?
One major thought for me is this. With our current talent, who do we believe would do better as the HC of these players?
With projected future Arkansas players, recruiting.. who would, could do better than CMA?
Are we satisfied with our progress over 7 years overall?
There has been progress, for sure. CMA had a terrible set up to come in too. APR was terrible, attitudes, and off the court problems were there as well. He didn't have a practice area as well. SO he has done some good, even great things.
BUt it is still year 7..... With a likely downturn in year 8 losing who we are losing and having talented freshmen, they are still freshmen.
OK, enough...
7 years for a decent coach, 7 decent seasons, do we want to be more than decent?
One major thought for me is this. With our current talent, who do we believe would do better as the HC of these players?
With projected future Arkansas players, recruiting.. who would, could do better than CMA?
Are we satisfied with our progress over 7 years overall?
There has been progress, for sure. CMA had a terrible set up to come in too. APR was terrible, attitudes, and off the court problems were there as well. He didn't have a practice area as well. SO he has done some good, even great things.
BUt it is still year 7..... With a likely downturn in year 8 losing who we are losing and having talented freshmen, they are still freshmen.
OK, enough...
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:36 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:Absolutely. Not taking away anything from what Mike actually has done here. He got the fanbase back and that alone is huge, but you hit the nail on the head. He's a decent coach. A decent coach that will get decent results a decent amount of time. Arkansas as a program was not built on "decent". I'm eternally grateful for what Mike has done in terms of injecting life back into the program and getting it back on track, but I've lost faith that he's "The Guy". Simply for reference, Nolan had us in the Elite 8 twice and Final Four once by this time in his tenure here. It doesn't take great coaches a decade to put together winners.
There has been progress, for sure. CMA had a terrible set up to come in too.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:37 pm to Razorback Reverend
No one is denying any of that.
But touting Chris Beard who has 3 whopping years of D1 experience as the savior is fricking retarded.
Let him build and maintain a program, its a whole lot different than just coaching 5 seniors that he inherited.
UALR was pretty veteran laden as well if I remember correctly and he pulled some JUCO guys probably taking advantage of academics down there.
Let's see him maintain something.
But touting Chris Beard who has 3 whopping years of D1 experience as the savior is fricking retarded.
Let him build and maintain a program, its a whole lot different than just coaching 5 seniors that he inherited.
UALR was pretty veteran laden as well if I remember correctly and he pulled some JUCO guys probably taking advantage of academics down there.
Let's see him maintain something.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:42 pm to STLhog
quote:At no point in this thread has anyone said anything about making Beard the head coach here. He was simply used as an example for the case of 7 years is more than enough time for Mike to put together more than he has here and the "program was in a bad spot" excuses are just that. Tech has zero advantages over Arkansas in basketball.
But touting Chris Beard who has 3 whopping years of D1 experience as the savior is fricking retarded.
I still maintain my stance that Arkansas' fix at its current state is as simple as throwing everything we can at Gregg Marshall. I think you give a coach like that resources like ours and success isn't far behind.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:51 pm to Drewbie
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still maintain my stance that Arkansas' fix at its current state is as simple as throwing everything we can at Gregg Marshall. I think you give a coach like that resources like ours and success isn't far behind.
I can agree with this, however Marshall will never come here. He has his sights on just a couple of places, if he leaves at all.
That and the new contract with CMA
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:56 pm to Razorback Reverend
I think if we were to offer around 4 a year he'd have to at least answer the phone. No doubt it would take a hefty sum but if Arkansas is serious about getting back to the glory days, this is what you have to invest now.
quote:Don't remind me
That and the new contract with CMA
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:57 pm
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