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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:21 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:21 am
We're not going to be able to hire a coach with more experience than Pittman. I realize that many so called experts on the message boards think otherwise...but deep down you know better.
I suspect Pittman is done anyway after taking all the social media abuse.
Fan expectations will need to lower (think Kentucky 7-8 years ago), then we can hire an average coach and slowly...very slowly rebuild a program to mediocrity.
If...no when...college football realigns to a system similar to soccer leagues in Europe...and that's coming fast...then we'll be relegated to 3rd tier league play.
I doubt anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to resurrect a program given the schedule we have, the recruiting base we don't have and the impatient fan base. Combine that with OU and Texas moving into the SEC.
Its bleak...and that's reality.
I suspect Pittman is done anyway after taking all the social media abuse.
Fan expectations will need to lower (think Kentucky 7-8 years ago), then we can hire an average coach and slowly...very slowly rebuild a program to mediocrity.
If...no when...college football realigns to a system similar to soccer leagues in Europe...and that's coming fast...then we'll be relegated to 3rd tier league play.
I doubt anyone thinks that we're suddenly going to resurrect a program given the schedule we have, the recruiting base we don't have and the impatient fan base. Combine that with OU and Texas moving into the SEC.
Its bleak...and that's reality.
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Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:28 am to Rzrbackguy
More offensive line coaching experience? True
More head coaching experience? You serious?
Pittman's game management skills are sorely lacking. This comes from being a career coordinator with no HC experience. He stablized the program but he had the benefit of Treylon Burks and super seniors to cover his inadequacies. It's time for a change whether you think Arkansas can do "better" or not.
More head coaching experience? You serious?
Pittman's game management skills are sorely lacking. This comes from being a career coordinator with no HC experience. He stablized the program but he had the benefit of Treylon Burks and super seniors to cover his inadequacies. It's time for a change whether you think Arkansas can do "better" or not.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:51 am to Rzrbackguy
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Its bleak...and that's reality.
HY and the BOT agrees with your loser mentality, that's reality.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:52 am to Rzrbackguy
TIL reality = OP’s opinion
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:05 am to hawgfaninc
How many times in history did we have a homerun hire in football?
History is a strong indicator of future results. When I took the time to look over our SEC historical numbers from top to bottom... the trend is strong.
History is a strong indicator of future results. When I took the time to look over our SEC historical numbers from top to bottom... the trend is strong.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:07 am to Rzrbackguy
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Fan expectations will need to lower (think Kentucky 7-8 years ago), then we can hire an average coach and slowly...very slowly rebuild a program to mediocrity.
I was on board with this for Sam, but expectations went up when he shook us down for a big raise.
All I want is a coach that consistently puts us in positions to win. Right now, we have a coach that consistently puts us in positions to lose.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:13 am to Razorback Reverend
Thinking we’re going to hire someone like Dan Lanning or Kalen DeBoer is an absolute waste of time as those will never happen. That doesn’t mean we can’t grab an up-and-coming name and hit a home run with them like Mullen at State or Stoops at Kentucky. It’s a risk but I’d rather have that than some mid level retread coach with a formerly big name. The caveat being we hire a universally agreed up-and-coming name and not someone we convince ourselves is up-and-coming like Morris.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:19 am to TheCheshireHog
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Thinking we’re going to hire someone like Dan Lanning or Kalen DeBoer
I don’t think we will get Lanning, I don’t think we will get anyone, because Pittman will still be our coach next year.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:20 am to FayetteNAM
Yes I would agree with that as well unless he decides to retire on his own.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:21 am to TheCheshireHog
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Yes I would agree with that as well unless he decides to retire on his own.
Unless he gets a golden handcuff retirement, he isn’t doing that.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 3:37 pm to TheCheshireHog
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That doesn’t mean we can’t grab an up-and-coming name and hit a home run with them like Mullen at State or Stoops at Kentucky.
Hat’s off to Kentucky for having patience with stoops. Looking at his early record there he probably wouldn’t have lasted here.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/3/23 at 4:49 pm to Rzrbackguy
I mean we're looking at 3-9 this year.
Worst case what happens? We hire a worse coach who goes 2-10 in this 4th year
Worst case what happens? We hire a worse coach who goes 2-10 in this 4th year
Posted on 10/3/23 at 5:50 pm to Hogwarts
Arkansas began the season ranked 19th and was a second half away from going 5-7.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:21 pm to HogX
quote:Yep. The push for that raise was the first red flag I got from him.
I was on board with this for Sam, but expectations went up when he shook us down for a big raise.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 6:29 pm to Clark14
quote:This is the only line of thinking that has kept me from full on hopping on the fire Pittman bandwagon. As it stands I'm neutral and wouldn't care either way, but I'm done defending the guy. That said I wouldn't tear my house up if he got another year or two to let Enos actually bring up his QB and try to get more of a fit from a personnel standpoint.
Hat’s off to Kentucky for having patience with stoops. Looking at his early record there he probably wouldn’t have lasted here.
Pittman's done a lot to erode the faith he'd earned but it's also true that not every coach's trend is a steady direction one way or the other. I'm just not sure Kentucky was dealing with the same types of issues we are during those early struggles under Stoops. You could always see they were headed in the right direction, IMO. It doesn't feel that way with us anymore. Feels like Pittman started hotter than expected in year 1 then grabbed a lot of momentum in year 2, which has sense failed to be capitalized on to the point that it's all just about run out.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:23 pm to Drewbie
They gave Stoops plenty of time because they are a basketball school and never really cared for football.
He has to deal with that negative stigma and has won despite it.
He has to deal with that negative stigma and has won despite it.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 7:32 pm to dchog
So just like Arkansas. No coach worth a damn is going to sabotage his career by coming to Arkansas. We’ve got dumb and emotional fans that want their pound of flesh every time they get their feelings hurt. We’ll get a retread like Muschamp and the cycle will repeat itself, it is what it is.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 12:08 am to TheChicotKid
Arkansas allowed an OL coach to become a head coach and went 9-4 in his second year.
He had no idea what he was doing then and still doesn't now.
Any coach worth a shite that wants to become a head coach in the SEC will do so and if that has to be poor little Arkansas then so be it.
Giving up it isn't an option in this conference and if so then forever be the Vandy of the West minus the academics.
He had no idea what he was doing then and still doesn't now.
Any coach worth a shite that wants to become a head coach in the SEC will do so and if that has to be poor little Arkansas then so be it.
Giving up it isn't an option in this conference and if so then forever be the Vandy of the West minus the academics.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 9:54 am to dchog
SOOOO tired of ya'll talking about how we can never do better..... Set the expectation and refuse to settle.
It really is that simple.
It really is that simple.
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