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re: NIL Valuations... Food for thought...
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:13 am to STLhog
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:13 am to STLhog
I wouldn't be surprised if the boosters pushed Yuracheck to fight against NIL.
Bama did the same with Saban until they lost that fight. They didn't sit around and complain about it like Arkansas did, they quickly found ways to get the NIL machine going. But then again they had a sophisticated NIL under the table program for decades.
Bama did the same with Saban until they lost that fight. They didn't sit around and complain about it like Arkansas did, they quickly found ways to get the NIL machine going. But then again they had a sophisticated NIL under the table program for decades.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:36 am to ArHog
Fans:
"We need more NIL funding if were going to get the players we need to compete. We are almost last in the conference"
Program:
"We cant get the players we need to compete without more NIL funding, We are almost last in the conference. Will you donate? "
Fans:
"Donate to a program that doesn't compete? We are almost last in the conference. No way."
"We need more NIL funding if were going to get the players we need to compete. We are almost last in the conference"
Program:
"We cant get the players we need to compete without more NIL funding, We are almost last in the conference. Will you donate? "
Fans:
"Donate to a program that doesn't compete? We are almost last in the conference. No way."
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:50 am to Russvegas Dan
And the bad part about people who want to wait for a good coaching hire first is that coaches aren't going to come here with no proof of NIL when they have other options that already have an established NIL program. Why would someone want to have to prove themselves here first when they could go to somewhere else that has the NIL support already? It's a vicious cycle.
The depressing thing I thought about the other day is if the portal and NIL existed back then, there's no guarantee even Darren McFadden finishes his career here. One of our most iconic players ever who loved the program but he would have gotten PAID back in the day.
The depressing thing I thought about the other day is if the portal and NIL existed back then, there's no guarantee even Darren McFadden finishes his career here. One of our most iconic players ever who loved the program but he would have gotten PAID back in the day.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:02 am to gohogs141
NIL has always been around but has been under the table until now. Either Arkansas never had the money or didn't want to spend it on the players. It could be a combination of both.
McFadden would stay regardless but we don't have those type of players anymore. If they still exist then they are rare.
McFadden would stay regardless but we don't have those type of players anymore. If they still exist then they are rare.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:08 am to dchog
While it is true people were paid before NIL, it was not remotely close to the type of money there is today. Back ups weren't making 250k in those days.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:10 am to dchog
If NIL is such an issue at Arkansas and HY, how do you explain Cal?
Is he paying out of his own pocket?
Pittmans inability to win games he should, recruit and drive excitement in the program is the reason no large boosters will back him and his paltry budget.
The 4-8 year with all of that returning talent and experience is what killed him and the program. He had to be fired and he wasn’t.
Is he paying out of his own pocket?
Pittmans inability to win games he should, recruit and drive excitement in the program is the reason no large boosters will back him and his paltry budget.
The 4-8 year with all of that returning talent and experience is what killed him and the program. He had to be fired and he wasn’t.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:20 am to Billy Blanks
We don't know how much back then but programs like Alabama would still spend millions on players each year and that goes way back.
I met Bama fans that bragged about how money they spent stealing a player from Auburn and this was before NIL was talked about.
Someone told me that back in the 60s a player he knew was being recruited by both Arkansas and Oklahoma. He said he liked Arkansas but Oklahoma paid more.
I met Bama fans that bragged about how money they spent stealing a player from Auburn and this was before NIL was talked about.
Someone told me that back in the 60s a player he knew was being recruited by both Arkansas and Oklahoma. He said he liked Arkansas but Oklahoma paid more.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:30 am to STLhog
Boosters decided that money spent on baseball and basketball is worth the investment. Cal is a lot better salesman than Muss was.
They spent millions on football just to be where they are right now and they see it as wasted because the current athletic administration continues to make bad decisions.
They spent millions on football just to be where they are right now and they see it as wasted because the current athletic administration continues to make bad decisions.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 10:38 am to Russvegas Dan
quote:
Fans:
"We need more NIL funding if were going to get the players we need to compete. We are almost last in the conference"
Program:
"We cant get the players we need to compete without more NIL funding, We are almost last in the conference. Will you donate? "
Fans:
"Donate to a program that doesn't compete? We are almost last in the conference. No way."
Without context, this is incorrect.
1. Hunter went cheap on a coach because he thinks large buyouts are bad and none of the names availabe would play ball with him at the time.
2. Hunter had no plan/ignored NIL at its inception.
3. Hunter signed Pittman to a large extension and buyout.
4. Pittman continues to be mediocre or worse
5. Hunter THEN starts going after NIL funds
6. Pittman hires Petrino this season and appears to be out coached and disciplined, not out talented
7. Hunter continues to blame NIL, not coaching.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:34 pm to STLhog
quote:You don't see the difference in having to pay 8-9 players versus having to pay 40-50?
If NIL is such an issue at Arkansas and HY, how do you explain Cal?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:07 pm to Drewbie
quote:except you don’t have to pay 50 players top value. Thats the difference in football and basketball. To be a good basketball team nearly the entire roster needs a decent nil. For football you might have 10-20 players who would need a similar dollar amount the top basketball players would. So in reality it’s not that much more. A team with 4 5 stars on a football team sprinkled in with decent 4/3 stars can be just as good as a team with 4 5 stars in basketball. Both can compete for titles with good coaching and both can fall flat on their face.
You don't see the difference in having to pay 8-9 players versus having to pay 40-50?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:27 pm to Drewbie
100,000 fans paying $250 each is a 25M dollar budget. Thats even less with a handful of higher level donors.
It’s pathetic we don’t have a strategy to get there.
It’s pathetic we don’t have a strategy to get there.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:30 am to STLhog
quote:
If NIL is such an issue at Arkansas and HY, how do you explain Cal?
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:42 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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except you don’t have to pay 50 players top value. Thats the difference in football and basketball. To be a good basketball team nearly the entire roster needs a decent nil. For football you might have 10-20 players who would need a similar dollar amount the top basketball players would. So in reality it’s not that much more. A team with 4 5 stars on a football team sprinkled in with decent 4/3 stars can be just as good as a team with 4 5 stars in basketball. Both can compete for titles with good coaching and both can fall flat on their face.
Based on some of the numbers I've heard tossed around, an average QB is going for the same $ as our elite basketball recruits.
I would imagine OTs, DEs, WRs would be in that same $ bracket
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:44 am to STLhog
The fact they haven't done a low income based strategy is crazy to me.
Get 300k people to do $5 month. That's $18M. We should be focusing on the small donors, and doing what we can to get hundreds of thousands of those. People in Arkansas are for the most part broke as a whole. Asking them for more than $5 month on average is just asinine. We should have it available where every football and basketball game we have a both/table setup to try and get people enrolled. Sign up to donate to NIL today and be entered to win mid court seats with a post game meet and great with blah blah blah. Cash registers, would you like to donate to NIL and receive a 5% discount on your purchase today? Donate and sign up for recurring payments and receive 15% discount off your purchase.
We've got to think outside the box.
We should also give incentives to the foundation members. Extra priority points or something. I give a pretty hefty chunk to the foundation, I buy all of my tickets through the school, I buy season tickets to softball, gymnastics, volleyball, and women's basketball because I earn extra points by doing so. If I give anything to NIL I get absolutely no benefit. There should be something to make it worth it for foundation donors.
Get 300k people to do $5 month. That's $18M. We should be focusing on the small donors, and doing what we can to get hundreds of thousands of those. People in Arkansas are for the most part broke as a whole. Asking them for more than $5 month on average is just asinine. We should have it available where every football and basketball game we have a both/table setup to try and get people enrolled. Sign up to donate to NIL today and be entered to win mid court seats with a post game meet and great with blah blah blah. Cash registers, would you like to donate to NIL and receive a 5% discount on your purchase today? Donate and sign up for recurring payments and receive 15% discount off your purchase.
We've got to think outside the box.
We should also give incentives to the foundation members. Extra priority points or something. I give a pretty hefty chunk to the foundation, I buy all of my tickets through the school, I buy season tickets to softball, gymnastics, volleyball, and women's basketball because I earn extra points by doing so. If I give anything to NIL I get absolutely no benefit. There should be something to make it worth it for foundation donors.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 4:41 pm to dchog
quote:
Someone told me that back in the 60s a player he knew was being recruited by both Arkansas and Oklahoma. He said he liked Arkansas but Oklahoma paid more.
I remember Steve Little getting $100 handshakes after games and other times and he was just the kicker, although a great one.
Players got paid everywhere, it would be difficult to stop it. The players damn sure aren’t telling anyone….
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:14 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:Duh, but you still have to pay them something to keep quality depth around. There's no universe in which a football roster* is cheaper than a basketball one.
except you don’t have to pay 50 players top value.
*A good one.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:30 pm to Drewbie
quote:
There's no universe in which a football roster is cheaper than a basketball one.
100% agree with you here. There's just so many more bodies on the team.
But I think how cal talks about managing his budget is more in line with what we need than Pittman's everyone gets scraps and a handful gets paid.
We need to pay 74 players something and several of them a lot. That's your travel roster size. From there you tier it by depth chart and position. Redshirting becomes a thing of the past if you want money. Walkons get nothing.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:31 pm to Drewbie
Yeah but a good football roster is only like 10/15/20% more than a good basketball roster and the return on your investment is wayyyy better.
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:03 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I don't want to hear about our NIL money. Boise and Smu are in the playoffs.
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