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WonderWartHawg
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re: Arkansas Basketball Quad Breakdown
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College basketball is so weird



Weird nights happen. Kentucky raining 3's the other night was an anomaly for them. If not for that, as said before, we win by double digits.

ETA: That said, we are not playing 3 pt defense nearly as well as we need to be.
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Yeah I really don't get the complaints I've seen online about the Kentucky gameplan. If they had shot their tendencies we would have crushed them. Game preparation was obviously spot on. You might could complain that we didn't adjust to that, but I'm sure he was thinking like the rest of us that they would cool off. I know not everyone is on the bus yet, but i see serious potential in what Muss is building, assuming he stays. I only say that because he has definitely been a bit of a journeyman.


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ETA: That said, we are not playing 3 pt defense nearly as well as we need to be.


It could certainly be better but its not terrible, what we really rely on is about 25% of our defensive possessions end in a steal or block


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Muss is in his middle 50s. I just don't see going from place to place for the rest of his life. I think he wants to stay here and make a name for himself. If he succeeds here then he can make this job one of the best in the nation. So I don't see him taking another job unless it is an NBA job. But I think he wants to stay here and make it work.


Razorback Reverend
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Muss is in his middle 50s. I just don't see going from place to place for the rest of his life. I think he wants to stay here and make a name for himself. If he succeeds here then he can make this job one of the best in the nation. So I don't see him taking another job unless it is an NBA job. But I think he wants to stay here and make it work.


I agree with one caveat. He is hot headed, and maniacal in ways. If he has a bad season, folks start getting too vocal... he will absolutely lose it on the fans and leave.

JMHO of course.


gohogs141
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Calipari is kinda the same way, UK fans were killing him for being so defensive in the postgame PC. I think most good coaches have a bit of that trait.


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He really needs to make the tournament this season. It would take the pressure off of him and it would fully convince hog fans that he is the right hire. Now if we slip up and miss it then it will get ugly quickly here. He isn't going to get the Mike Anderson treatment and so he won't stay here as long.

This season is the most important for him here because it will determine if he will succeed or fail here.


gohogs141
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re: Arkansas Basketball Quad Breakdown
I still think we need to be patient. Bruce Pearl didn’t even have a winning SEC record at Auburn until year 4. Granted he took over a much worse program than we are now, but sometimes for whatever reason it takes a while. Took Scott Drew a very long time at Baylor too. If you keep recruiting well every year eventually it all just clicks.


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We aren't waiting year four so that Muss can have a winning record in conference and make the tournament. If that is the case then Mike Anderson should have not been fired. He was fired not because he couldn't make the tournament but struggled to do so each year.

Muss was hired to improve on that and make it each year with a program that is in better shape than what Mike inherited. Those are base expectations here and it shouldn't be that hard to do it here. If Muss meets those expectations and I'm confident he will then he will be just fine.

But you will never know how far your team could make a run in the tournament if that team is sitting at home and watching it on tv.


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I do believe we would wait until year 4 if needed. I don't think it will be necessary however.

Folks will get perplexed and upset at his transfer portal moves constantly. But I believe he is ahead of the curve. It is becoming more of this type of game. FWIW!


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dchog
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I seriously doubt anyone would wait til year four to make the tournament. This isn't football and it shouldn't take that long for that type of progress.

But that isn't going to happen as this team has a really good shot of making the tournament.


Razorback Reverend
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I am just counting the times bro.

With Covid, costs, decent recruiting, I do believe we would wait. Muss is seen by so many folks as a slam dunk hire in the basketball universe. We would wait a bit longer than most believe.

But I also agree that we have a great chance this season. We need to take the one against Mizzou, and one of LSU/Bama, and take care of USC, etc. We need more tier 1 wins imho to push us forward and upward. I do not want to face a 1 seed soon in the matchups.

To keep that from happening, we would need a 7.. or 8... HeckifIknow.. lol


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If Muss was a class c or d hire then yes if would be wise for patient. But he was not and if he is the slam dunk hire the media says he is then it shouldn't take four years to squeak into the tournament. The bigger the hire, the higher the expectations.

Arkansas basketball isn't Arkansas football where we are the bottom feeders of the conference for 30 years. The basketball program has never reached that level of dumpster fire of terrible. Muss inherited a good situation unlike Sam who was left with a team coming off a multiple SEC game losing streak.

But just making the the tournament each year and not taking half a decade to do so are not only modest but realistic expectations here.



Razorback Reverend
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but we aren't what we once were either. How many 5 star players, heck... even 4 stars have come here from elsewhere.

I really believe we are living too much in the past. There is way too much parity in college basketball today over when Sutton and Richardson were here.

We had Pel, Heath, and got back to barely decent by Anderson.

This is not what it once was, and will take time to do it.

We are a skilled big man, with muscle... away from winning big IMHO. But will Muss understand and recruit that, not yet!

I don't want to argue all night so fine. YOU WIN! We are world beaters and the coach is the best. Better?
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Poker_hog
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re: Arkansas Basketball Quad Breakdown
Muss won’t be on the hot seat for missing the dance this year. If he doesn’t make it this year or next his seat will be very hot.


The standard for the program should be not missing the dance 2 years in a row and make the 2nd weekend at least once every 5 years.


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To keep that from happening, we would need a 7.. or 8... HeckifIknow.. lol


7/10 seeds face the 2/15 seeds in the second round

8/9 seeds face the 1/16 seeds in the second round


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dchog
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The question is not how many highly rated players we couldn't get out of state but the many highly rated players we couldn't keep instate for so many years. The state of Arkansas produces enough talent just a bout each year that could change the direction of the program. But the problem is we didn't have the coaching that could do it here.


No one expects Muss to have Eddie or Nolan results but we should expect him to do better than what Anderson did here. If we fired Anderson for another Anderson then I guess we have don't have expectations but schools need to have some if they want to take the next step.

College basketball has always had parity but that didn't stop us in the past and it certainly won't stop us if we try.

Heath was a PR hire from the Nolan meltdown. He only had one year of coaching experience. It was a very risky hire and it turned out to be a dud. They could have hired better candidates and they had a list that were more deserving than Heath. But no because we like shooting ourselves in the foot.

Pel would never be here had they given Altman what he needed but instead something caused him to leave in 24 hours. That doesn't happen in the real world unless someone screwed it up. You know they did.

Anderson was hyped too much as the next Nolan by the Arkansas media and fans took the bait. I didn't believe in the hype and I expected him to be another disappointment. Well he didn't do anything special here but it doesn't matter as he wasn't good enough.

We aren't what we were years ago because of the repeat terrible hire after hire from the administration that had no idea what they were doing. Lack of care? Maybe but utter incompetence is a better answer.

Now with a better hire or we think a better AD hire in Hunter Yuracheck. He already made a better basketball hire than our terrible previous AD and an 80 year old AD that should have long retired.

Our problem was never talent in basketball but the very poor decision making from individuals at the top. That will sink you faster than anything else. Of course no one held them accountable here and so they further damaged the basketball program.

I have no doubt that Muss will put the pieces together and get it done here. If he keeps recruiting at a high level here then we will be rolling here sooner than later.

I didn't really want to argue and you have the right to your opinion. That is fine with me. But I believe that Muss is too motivated and because of that he will meet those expectations and do better than what the previous coaches did here.


dchog
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Muss won't be on the hot seat for missing this year but he will enter his third year on the seat that is a little warm. Also depending on how the season goes, it could get warm or completely hot by the end of the year. But he could be off that seat if they are at the point of not having to win SEC tournament games to get in.

Our standard should be a habit of making the dance each year. I don't expect deep runs when we can't even make it to the dance consistently. But these are modest standards that Muss should have no problem doing here.


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WonderWartHawg
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re: Arkansas Basketball Quad Breakdown
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I have no doubt that Muss will put the pieces together


I get the feeling we are going to see a largely different team every year. 2 years in, 2 different teams so far.
I wonder about continuity...
I think it's going to be more like drawing a good poker hand every year. Depend on the luck of the draw in transfers and recruits.


Hawgnsincebirth55
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re: Arkansas Basketball Quad Breakdown
That’s how college basketball has been for years tho. At least for the top teams. Good players aren’t staying for graduation or even 3 years most times. We just didn’t get to experience that because Anderson recruited at a sub standard level.


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