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Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:59 pm to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 10/27/20 at 3:59 pm to pioneerbasketball
NO to all 3.
Im in construction and there's a HYUGE push for the first to pass...
Im just not for a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment being set forth to permanently subsidize our highways.
Want to raise the fuel tax? Go for it. Road use tax? sure.
Think of it like this. The roads are going to be funded and built regardless. All you're doing here is guaranteeing payment.
Go get the money from those companies who are constantly using them and wearing them down. Why the frick would you pay JB Hunt/walmart's taxes for them? that's essentially what you're doing if you agree to pay a half cent per dollar for eternity.
Im in construction and there's a HYUGE push for the first to pass...
Im just not for a CONSTITUTIONAL amendment being set forth to permanently subsidize our highways.
Want to raise the fuel tax? Go for it. Road use tax? sure.
Think of it like this. The roads are going to be funded and built regardless. All you're doing here is guaranteeing payment.
Go get the money from those companies who are constantly using them and wearing them down. Why the frick would you pay JB Hunt/walmart's taxes for them? that's essentially what you're doing if you agree to pay a half cent per dollar for eternity.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 4:00 pm
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Posted on 10/27/20 at 4:15 pm to Maytheporkbewithyou
Road repair money disappearing in Arkansas has only been happening for about 5 or 6 decades now
No biggie
No biggie
Posted on 10/27/20 at 4:18 pm to YumYum Sauce
Excatly. They will find a way to recoup that. 0.5 cent tax for roads. That issue is set to sunset. Let it be.
Make them get in the record passing another tax.
Issue 1 will be close with how it's been pitched.
I don't necessarily like what issue 3 does but I also don't like outside monies flowing into our state affairs. That has to be a yes to protect the state and its people.
Look, we alrwdy got weed and gambling. That's cool. But the minimum wage hike is a drecect result of the far too easy ballot measure process.
Businesses can't take that any longer and no dumbass 16 year old kid loading boxes or putting pickles on a hamburger deserves to make $12 an hour.
Make them get in the record passing another tax.
Issue 1 will be close with how it's been pitched.
I don't necessarily like what issue 3 does but I also don't like outside monies flowing into our state affairs. That has to be a yes to protect the state and its people.
Look, we alrwdy got weed and gambling. That's cool. But the minimum wage hike is a drecect result of the far too easy ballot measure process.
Businesses can't take that any longer and no dumbass 16 year old kid loading boxes or putting pickles on a hamburger deserves to make $12 an hour.
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:07 pm to Jack Ruby
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No they don't. 2 prevents lifetime terms in the State House (at least they have to drop out for 4 years before they can run again after 24 yesrs), and 3 makes sure that no outside-funded Marxist groups can enact sweeping changes, such as outrageous minimum wage that destroys small businesses, into the state constitution with realative ease.
1 is a tax that's supposed to expire anyway. That was the deal when it was passed. Even if it's defeated they'll just pass another tax in its place.
You Fayetteville Commies are something scary.
Can you spot the poliboard guy
Posted on 10/28/20 at 12:06 am to Jack Ruby
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Businesses can't take that any longer and no dumbass 16 year old kid loading boxes or putting pickles on a hamburger deserves to make $12 an hour.
I would say the businesses are doing fine, but the folks making minimum wage, not so much. And, if you can't understand what the graph means, then STFU.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:02 am to ThundrHawg
I’m not even sure why I’m posting this since it’s a done deal but...
Without any sarcasm- seriously- how does GDP correlate to say small businesses being able to afford $12 minimum wage?
I am all for fair pay but $12 does sound rather high for minimum wage in Arkansas. But maybe I’m deep down a snot because I only made minimum wage when I was a teen or in college, and I just assume some adult supporting themselves and possibly a family would or at least should have the sense or ability to not be an entry level employee before they start popping out offspring.
My family sold our small business right at a year ago, we were paying our college kids more than minimum (not 12 tho) but I can very well see how if you’re a new business or not well established that could cause some hurt.
Without any sarcasm- seriously- how does GDP correlate to say small businesses being able to afford $12 minimum wage?
I am all for fair pay but $12 does sound rather high for minimum wage in Arkansas. But maybe I’m deep down a snot because I only made minimum wage when I was a teen or in college, and I just assume some adult supporting themselves and possibly a family would or at least should have the sense or ability to not be an entry level employee before they start popping out offspring.
My family sold our small business right at a year ago, we were paying our college kids more than minimum (not 12 tho) but I can very well see how if you’re a new business or not well established that could cause some hurt.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:19 am to piggilicious
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I just assume some adult supporting themselves and possibly a family would or at least should have the sense or ability to not be an entry level employee before they start popping out offspring.
That's a pretty big assumption. If you look at the largest families, it's almost always the poorest folks. Regardless of race or location. It was that way with backwoods white folks in the Ozarks and I'm sure it's that way with inner city black folks in Little Rock.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:35 am to HogX
I grew up Catholic, there were lots of large families I knew. I graduated in a class of 10, 4 of my classmates had 7 or more siblings 
they weren’t rich by any standard but they weren’t poor either.
I was by no means whatsoever trying to imply that this was a race issue. Boiled down, it’s by far more of a common sense issue to me.
I do realize there are outliers to any situation and I’ve come to terms mostly with the $12 min wage, I just didn’t see how the gross domestic product specifically had any real bearing on small businesses and how they were going to be affected.
they weren’t rich by any standard but they weren’t poor either. I was by no means whatsoever trying to imply that this was a race issue. Boiled down, it’s by far more of a common sense issue to me.
I do realize there are outliers to any situation and I’ve come to terms mostly with the $12 min wage, I just didn’t see how the gross domestic product specifically had any real bearing on small businesses and how they were going to be affected.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 12:06 pm to HogX
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That's a pretty big assumption. If you look at the largest families, it's almost always the poorest folks. Regardless of race or location. It was that way with backwoods white folks in the Ozarks and I'm sure it's that way with inner city black folks in Little Rock.
Golly gee.......I wonder why that is???
The first step of getting out of a hole is to put down the shovel.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 12:23 pm to Jack Ruby
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Businesses can't take that any longer and no dumbass 16 year old kid loading boxes or putting pickles on a hamburger deserves to make $12 an hour.
Eh, anybody that gets up and puts in an honest day's work deserves a living wage IMO. Particularly considering employees in those two sectors (fast food and grocery stores) have proven their overall worth to society during this pandemic.
The mentality of "you want to make money, go get a job.....oh....wait, no....not that job because I have an arbitrary opinion that what you do isn't valuable to me personally so you deserve to struggle in life" is just something I have a hard time wrapping my mind around.
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Golly gee.......I wonder why that is???
Well, it used to be that poor and rural folks had less access to health care. As a result, that meant a higher infant mortality rate so you had a litter of kids to make sure some lived. Having children was more about quantity than quality at that point.
These days, I'm sure a big portion of the issue is rooted in folks trying to manipulate the welfare system. And that's something to be addressed. Of course, that's only an issue if you're poor. If you're rich and manipulate the system by taking advantage of loopholes so you don't have to pay millions of dollars in taxes to the country, you're a genius. If you're poor and manipulate the welfare system and take advantage of loopholes for $30K, you're an uneducated piece of trash. But that's a different discussion for a different day.
This post was edited on 10/28/20 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/28/20 at 5:30 pm to King
3 of the 4 measures were brought by the legislature. I voted all three down accordingly. frick the legislature. And frick them again for trying to wordsmith their way out of term limits.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:08 pm to Jack Ruby
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Businesses can't take that any longer and no dumbass 16 year old kid loading boxes or putting pickles on a hamburger deserves to make $12 an hour.
I'm all for a $12/hr minimum. Matter of fact make it $20, $50 even. The sooner we can incentive business to replace the young and poors with robots, the better. End game, maybe we get it to the point they can no longer afford transportation to get to the polls. Laughs in Republican
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Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:19 pm to piggilicious
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am all for fair pay but $12 does sound rather high for minimum wage in Arkansas. But maybe I’m deep down a snot because I only made minimum wage when I was a teen or in college, and I just assume some adult supporting themselves and possibly a family would or at least should have the sense or ability to not be an entry level employee before they start popping out offspring.
The problem is the boomers we're really shitty at this. The younger generation a have out off the whole child thing longer in my experience
Posted on 10/28/20 at 6:47 pm to oklahogjr
I’m confused by your second sentence.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:25 pm to piggilicious
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I’m confused by your second sentence.
Me too now that I try to decipher it.
Point was that today kids are waiting longer and getting more secure before having thst kid. Prior generations went fast to parenthood which held a lot of them back. There are still those having kids going but it's less overall and like others have said they trend poor and less educated traditionally so they're lucky to be consistently employed let alone financially stable.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:26 pm to piggilicious
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I’m confused by your second sentence.
So is Lexi, Ency, and Dict....
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:41 pm to oklahogjr
Gotcha, makes sense and that is a very good thing. 
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:19 pm to piggilicious
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I was by no means whatsoever trying to imply that this was a race issue
My bad, I didn't mean that to seem directed at you. Just a general statement.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:22 pm to HogX
It’s all cool. I really just wanted to clarify that it was nothing to do with that.
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:41 pm to gohogs141
Voted against No. 1, simply because of the 'permanent' tag. Extend for 5, maybe even 10, I would have voted yes. Have since talked to many who felt the same way.
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