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Anybody that thinks coaches won’t come here because of unrealistic expectations

Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:18 pm
Isn’t paying attention. Florida is about ready to move on from Napier after just 2 years, even though they’re vastly ahead of where we are. Even lsu fans are getting tired of Kelly in year 2 and he just won the west! We are a very mild fan base compared to most groups who want to win. Firing Pittman this year would not scare anyone off who would be good at the job
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11213 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:21 pm to
Florida and LSU have the resources to have those expectations. Coaches go there knowing they can win national championships if they’re good enough.

I don’t think we have unrealistic expectations though.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:26 pm to
I think this question goes to what are the expectations. Pittman only lost my support when it became clear we weren't gonna be good enough to make a bowl in year 4. I don't think above .500 and bowl eligibility is an extreme set of expectations....
Posted by TXhawg
Member since Mar 2022
116 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:32 pm to
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I don't think above .500 and bowl eligibility is an extreme set of expectations....


This. 6 to 9 wins a year, with a shot at competing for more once every several years, should not be too lofty.
Posted by ArHog
Muss is a coward
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:41 pm to
Until the UofA opens up the checkbook expect a BLJ hire.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
2920 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:44 pm to
We don't have a desirable Job. We have a weak recruiting footprint, routinely the toughest schedule in the nation, and a passionate fanbase that expects to win.

The notion that someone would come here because they want a challenge is delusional. None of us would take a harder job over an easy job with all other things being equal.

That means we have to overpay to get someone decent. HY's MO is the opposite of that. That leaves unproven up and comers and guys with baggage. We could certainly end up with worse that Pittman but I think everyone is ready to roll the dice.
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7211 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:46 pm to
If it’s unrealistic to want to watch games on Saturday and believe:

1) you have a chance or are going to win
2) not think you are out going to be our coached
3) mentally fragile and shoot yourself in the foot over and over, which inevitably causes losses.
4) you don’t want to take your foot off the gas and end up losing

Then I have unrealistic expectations, but those are the same expectations I have for Basketball and baseball and those coaches seem to meet and exceed them.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
16012 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:57 pm to
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a passionate fanbase that expects to win.
we have a passionate fan base that expects to not be embarrassed and go to a bowl most years, with a chance at a 9 plus win season once every 4 years. That is not asking too much
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:00 pm to
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I think this question goes to what are the expectations. Pittman only lost my support when it became clear we weren't gonna be good enough to make a bowl in year 4. I don't think above .500 and bowl eligibility is an extreme set of expectations....


This. And not look inept. I know bad plays happen but when it’s half the game of, “what the frick are they doing?”

That’s too much for me. I also don’t feel like it’s too lofty to make it to Atlanta every 5 yearsish
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7211 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:03 pm to
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HY's MO is the opposite of that. That leaves unproven up and comers and guys with baggage. We could certainly end up with worse that Pittman but I think everyone is ready to roll the dice.


And that will get your AD fired.

Everyone acts like they aren’t getting paid to do a job, they aren’t a small town pastor doing it out the kindness of their hearts. They are all making millions a year to delivery a product worthy of our money.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted by FayetteNAM
Boston Mountains
Member since Jun 2013
7211 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:07 pm to
This is how some of you view every one our coaches and AD.

Because I’m selfless
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:21 pm to
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Pittman only lost my support when it became clear we weren't gonna be good enough to make a bowl in year 4. I don't think above .500 and bowl eligibility is an extreme set of expectations....



We lose three games with new coaches with players trying to gel in the new system and our fans are able to determine with 100% accuracy that we won’t improve enough throughout this season to reach a bowl. What happened in 2015 apparently should be ignored because it would ruin a good pity party.

Hoping one of you can give me the lottery #’s as well
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:22 pm
Posted by GoldenSombrero
Member since Sep 2010
2651 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:23 pm to
Agreed. W/L are only a part of the equation. I’m tired of watching us rack up 100+ yards in penalties and look completely inept in certain positions.

We consistently do things to ourselves that get us beat. That’s the frustrating part and 100% on coaching.

Posted by ElDawgHawg
L.A. (lower Arkansas)
Member since Nov 2012
2975 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:33 pm to
I'm sick and tired of hearing about "unrealistic" expectations. We are an SEC school with a crap ton of money and backing. Time to put your money where your mouth is and give this program the shot in the arm it deserves. We have seen the formula to win here over time.... making excuses for why we aren't now is the cowards way out.
Go get someone who is young and hungry and innovative and watch what happens.
..... now would be as good a time as any to remind everyone I wanted Mike Norvell...........
guess who fared better than we did since FSU hired him....
Posted by Beached Tusky
Member since Oct 2016
1867 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:47 pm to
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We don't have a desirable Job.


This is fricking hilarious and sad at the same time.

Either naivety or an amazing lack of self-image continues to let this notion proliferate.

What do you think the average D-1 coaching salary is, then where do you think Arkansas compares to that?

What if any benefits are there to being an SEC head coach beyond the considerable salary that might not be available at non-SEC programs?

C'mon people. This is the mindset a psychologist has a field day with.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16953 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:06 pm to
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We could certainly end up with worse that Pittman

Loser mentality
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22732 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:26 pm to
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Loser mentality


Been a hog fan for a mighty long time... Look at our history and tell me that we aren't just that in the SEC... Losers...

We have lost more than we have won, and by definition... Well?

Our Recruiting area is crap, our history in this conference is crap, our schedule is ruthless, add to that Tx and OU and ... well?

Why would a well known, successful coach want to risk their resume with such man? Why would a decent up and comer not wait out a program with a better recruiting footprint, better history, better media attention. Just look up the media concerning Arkansas football in the past 20 years overall. One caught lightening in a bottle on time with Petrino and it was amazing how that transpired. He was in desperate need of getting out of where he was. Period!

I view our Football program as fan who has purchased season tix for 20 plus years and definitely knows it's history. Our bads definitely out number our goods in this exercise of futility.

Pittman isn't as bad as some are promoting... He isn't as good as others promote. He is a mediocre coach who is well liked personally. Between Bert, Smile, and Chad... where does he rank, because these are our last three to consider overall.

I want a change at HC, I am there. But I would ask for folks to put their fandom down for a brief minute and be real about our possibilities/

Scott Frost anybody?
Trailer?
Kansas Coaches?
BLJ? Good Lord No! He pouted and made a power move that lost last time.
Who? At least the coaching search threads are fun, we ought to know, we have had plenty the last few years
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
22732 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:39 pm to
sec record currently... 100/152


quick count... may be barely off, but the point is made.

We have never truly been considered competitive in the SEC overall. Sure, a year or two here and there... but...
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 3:41 pm
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36760 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:18 pm to
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We lose three games with new coaches with players trying to gel in the new system and our fans are able to determine with 100% accuracy that we won’t improve enough throughout this season to reach a bowl. What happened in 2015 apparently should be ignored because it would ruin a good pity party.


If we improve to make a bowl I'll gladly eat crow. I definitely think we can improve and win a few more games.... I just don't see 3 more sure wins. FIU miss state and we gotta win one we shouldn't too...that's a big ask.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
16953 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 4:19 pm to
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We have lost more than we have won, and by definition... Well?

So swing big. If we strike out where will we be.......the same place we are every 4 years.
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