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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:36 pm to Allthatfades
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:36 pm to Allthatfades
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:41 pm to IRobbedMyMom
quote:No one ever doubted Rojas’ hustle or the spark he brings to the environment. Notice though, that there’s literally nothing tangible Rojas actually did. If anything, his being on the court completely hampers the offense.
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:44 pm to IRobbedMyMom
So apparently Rojas must have been on the court non-stop the last two months, because that is how long our offense has been hampered
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:47 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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Notice though, that there’s literally nothing tangible Rojas actually did, or can do. If anything, his being on the court completely hampers the offense.
The lineup with Rojas on the floor vs State had an Offensive Efficiency of 128.6.
Our offensive efficiency for the entire game was 107.0.
So we were more offensively efficient with Rojas in the game than without him in the game.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I never thought I’d live in a time of alabama basketball where I’d see so many analytical and statistical posts and actually understand them. It’s mind boggling how invested I am in them regarding our team before and after games.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:53 pm to IRobbedMyMom
quote:Firstly, the intangibles (physicality, hustle, effort, etc.) are where we need the help!
Notice though, that there’s literally nothing tangible Rojas actually did. If anything, his being on the court completely hampers the offense.
Lastly, didn't he have 6-7 points, including a 3-pointer and some boards?
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:54 pm to coachcrisp
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Lastly, didn't he have 6-7 points, including a 3-pointer and some boards?
He had the #2 highest offensive rebounding rate in the game (Miles #1). He had the #1 defensive rebounding rate in the game. He also had 2 steals, drew 2 fouls and went 3/4 from the FT line. And the lineup with him in it was the most productive offensively and defensively all night.
Other than that, we along with the staff are all stupid and don't understand that he messes everything up.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:55 pm to coachcrisp
Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:59 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:I never blamed the offense being shite on Rojas. I just mentioned it will continue to be shite with him on the floor.
So apparently Rojas must have been on the court non-stop the last two months, because that is how long our offense has been hampered
My preferred lineup is JD/Shack/Ellis/Miles/Gurley. That lineup is switchable on D and able to run. As long as we stay in the halfcourt running any combo of (Rojas,Gary,KAH) at the 4 with Bediako as the 5 our offense will suffer and our defense is no longer switchable. Just my opinion you can get all hot and bothered if you want
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:03 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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My preferred lineup is JD/Shack/Ellis/Miles/Gurley. That lineup is switchable on D and able to run. As long as we stay in the halfcourt running any combo of (Rojas,Gary,KAH) at the 4 with Bediako as the 5 our offense will suffer and our defense is no longer switchable. Just my opinion you can get all hot and bothered if you want
That's fine, I like that lineup too, but they can't play 40 minutes. We have to use the our bench at some point, and that means we have to use some combination of Gary/Rojas/KAH/Chuck at the 4/5 for 2-3 stretches of 4-6 minutes. Of those options, at this point, I'd prefer to see more Rojas at the 5 than any of the other 3. He rebounds on both ends, is the best switching defender of them other than maybe KAH, and is as good as Gary and better than KAH around the rim.
I don't want to see Rojas start or anything, but I definitely think he has a 12-15 minute a game role on this team, depending on the opponent matchup.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:09 pm to coachcrisp
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Hell, I wasn't trying to run the kid down too badly!
A lot of his issues are simply things he can't control. He's short, his wingspan is limited, and he's not an above the rim player. He doesn't have control over those things. He simply wasn't fortunate enough to be blessed with NBA height, long arms, or elite athleticism. As far as stuff he can control, he offers very little defensively or as a facilitator, and his outside shot off the dribble isn't great. This was the year, if he wanted to have any shot at the NBA, that he needed to show some degree of defensive and playmaking ability, and if anything he has regressed in those two areas despite already being weak there. Honestly, I'm not trying to trash the kid. I acknowledge that he has done a lot for us and made a lot of big shots in an Alabama uniform, but it's still disappointing that he seems to be more focused on proving he can do things he isn't physically capable of doing like driving through the trees or knocking down stepback 3s instead of improving in areas he can, like playing good team/help defense and creating opportunities for his teammates.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:22 pm to Robot Santa
Last game was a little bit of a step back, but since the 8 turnover Tennessee game JD has really done a better job with the turnovers, and his assist numbers are great.
Last 4 games : 14 assists, 6 turnovers (2.3 Assist to TO rate)
Last 4 games : 14 assists, 6 turnovers (2.3 Assist to TO rate)
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:22 pm to Robot Santa
I couldn't agree more! I'm surprised that he's still starting a #2. 
Posted on 1/18/22 at 2:46 pm to coachcrisp
Interesting comp on JD Davison So far this season advanced stats wise. Same position, same 5-star/Top 10 high school pedigree, both freshmen.
Tyrese Maxey (HS)
- 6'3, 185 lbs
- #10 overall (#3 CG)
JD Davison (HS)
- 6'3, 175 lbs
- #13 overall (#3 PG)
Maxey left after 1 year and was the #21 overall pick by the Sixers. Had a bit of a learning curve year 1 but played well in the playoffs and has seend his minutes, points, shooting, rebounds, assists all jump this season.
Could definitely see a similar path for JD.
Tyrese Maxey (HS)
- 6'3, 185 lbs
- #10 overall (#3 CG)
JD Davison (HS)
- 6'3, 175 lbs
- #13 overall (#3 PG)
Maxey left after 1 year and was the #21 overall pick by the Sixers. Had a bit of a learning curve year 1 but played well in the playoffs and has seend his minutes, points, shooting, rebounds, assists all jump this season.
Could definitely see a similar path for JD.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:04 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:I completely agree. I could’ve phrased it better, what I meant is no Rojas, Gary, or KAH at the same time as Bediako. All of them individually need run (except for KAH, I’m not high on him at all) but having a 4/5 combo where both can’t shoot is catastrophic to what we do on offense.
that means we have to use some combination of Gary/Rojas/KAH/Chuck at the 4/5 for 2-3 stretches of 4-6 minutes. Of those options, at this point, I'd prefer to see more Rojas at the 5 than any of the other 3
I want to see Rojas and I think he brings an edge to our team, just not at the same time as Chuck, or any other non shooting big.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 3:14 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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I completely agree. I could’ve phrased it better, what I meant is no Rojas, Gary, or KAH at the same time as Bediako. All of them individually need run (except for KAH, I’m not high on him at all) but having a 4/5 combo where both can’t shoot is catastrophic to what we do on offense.
I want to see Rojas and I think he brings an edge to our team, just not at the same time as Chuck, or any other non shooting big.
Absolutely agree - we can't play 2 bigs who defenses don't have to worry about outside or off high picks at the same time.
I think you noted it, but we definitely have to start looking at our lineups in terms of 2 PG/CG, 2 CG/SF, 1 PF/C. If that means sacrificing something on the boards, well, we're terrible at that now so what are sacrificing anyway?
PG - Davison/JQ
SG - Shack/JQ/Ellis/Holt
SF - Ellis/Miles/Holt
PF - Miles/Gurley
C - Chuck/Rojas/Gary/Gurley
Like you said, just don't think we can ever play a combination of Chuck/Gary/Rojas together unless there is a very specific reason.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 4:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
quote:You're right, and this is a problem that most any team will have to deal with when playing with an Oats style of play.
Like you said, just don't think we can ever play a combination of Chuck/Gary/Rojas together unless there is a very specific reason.
Physical, big men that can get out and run the floor, AND are productive offensively are few, and far between.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 5:29 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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we definitely have to start looking at our lineups in terms of 2 PG/CG, 2 CG/SF, 1 PF/C. If that means sacrificing something on the boards, well, we're terrible at that now so what are sacrificing anyway?
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days. Honestly I think we need to consider a JD/Ellis/Miles 1-3 at this point. No matter what we do at PG that position is a defensive liability, so compounding it with another backcourt player who is equally bad if not worse isn't helping matters. I'd have serious concerns about that lineup's ability to get into the paint but at this point there seem to be no more than a couple of lineups we can go to that are actually decent on both ends, they have multiple players in common, and you just can't play guys that many minutes.
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:03 pm to Robot Santa
Hardest schedules this Basketball season
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:55 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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JD has really done a better job with the turnovers, and his assist numbers are great.
He has shown better control. We definitely need him to continue to improve with Q struggling. His size and strength vs Q can help us on the rebounding side too. Just needs to keep working on defensive positioning.
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