re: Tide Hoops | Please Anchor

Bama “should’ve” destroyed them in Missouri. The fact that you willfully make excuses and exceptions for losses is troubling

Exactly


We suck at defending and this guy's are trying to rationalize it by saying it's officiating.

No. We just suck at defending. We are also pretty average rebounding and our 3 point percentage sucks

So yeah, we're not that good and haven't been since Houston exposed us.

I will quote this in a few weeks.

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Bama “should’ve” destroyed them in Missouri.

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Yep. Truly a terrible loss. We can't lose to any more teams like that.

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Melodramatic

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Denial

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In denial about what?

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The fact that you willfully make excuses and exceptions for losses is troubling

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I thought the psych eval was a little melodramatic, I’m not disagreeing with you abt anything.

We literally lost to a team whose coach got fired 5 days later

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Yea, those aren't good enough, obviously

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SOG, there's something I've wondered about on the analytics situation with coach. I'm not really sure how to word what I'm asking; so, it may be confusing. I'm also not a strong numbers guy like you.

In Nate's system, he puts his emphasis on three types of shots. In order of success and importance:

Free Throws
Lay ups
3pt shots

Oats is saying the numbers suggest the points per possession are better from only taking these shots? I'm assuming these numbers are taken from all of the D1 teams. A great number of these teams do not use the same system as Oats. Obviously, you should be successful shooting free throws and lay ups, but I wonder about the 3pt shots.
How do you quantify the success of these shots when they come out of different systems. A 3pt shot can come from different ways. With a lot of teams, they get their shots from making a low post pass into a single or double post system then a kick out. In others, their shots come from a motion offense utilizing screens. Then you see teams that try to get theirs mainly from transition and the one on one drive and kick out.

What I see from Bama is more four out, one in with the post in the high ball position. They use the high post screen to free up the ball handler for a drive or pass. Other than the high ball screen, we mostly have the ball handler try to beat his man off the dribble for the lay up or kick out three. We almost never utilize a low post pass.

I guess my question is how successful is the three point shot in a system like Bama uses vs the other systems. I would think your 3pt percentage would be higher if your shots are taken as a open spot up shooter from a pass vs taking your guy off the dribble and shooting.

I wonder how many other teams in D! run the same offense we do and what their offensive numbers are. I would think you'd need a larger number of guys that can take their defender off the dribble and pure shooters. My concern is that Oats has allowed teams to focus their defense on a smaller number of options. We are seeing teams sag off our dribbler to cut off the lane drive from Q, JD and Keon. The other guys struggle dribble driving already. We are seeing more three point shots taken from the dribbler that can't get into the lane. I would imagine our time per possession has gone up too because we can't fast break because we don't guard or rebound well. I'm seeing more possessions where Q, JD or Shack dribble in the backcourt for too long then shoot a three over their defender. I'd also like to see more cutting from off ball guys. I know Oats doesn't want to clog up the lane, but we need more movement and can get lay ups and shorter
3-4ft shots if guys cut to the lane or basket. I'd think it would open more space on the perimeter as well and take some pressure off the dribbler always trying to beat his man off the dribble.

Sorry this is long and confusing.

For an example trying to compare teams and stats:

Kentucky has a better 3pt % than Bama right now (36% to 32%). Kentucky has an inside guy (Oscar) that leads their team in scoring and hasn't taken a 3pt shot in three years of college ball. Is their percentage better because they have better dribble drive guys and pure shooters or because they have a strong inside player pulling defenders and opening up the perimeter. So, what's the better system?

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All the different offenses are just creating one of the two

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Thank you. I guess my question is more whether or not our lack of utilizing the post or lane cuts takes away some of our catch and shoot opportunities and forces more closely guarded 3pt shots which are less productive.

If on average Ellis, JQ and Shack had shot their career averages, we average 7 more PPG in our SEC games. That's the difference in going 13-5 and 7-11 in conference play over the course of a year. +/- 7 points in a conference game swings the balance.




- Loss to Iona by 4
- Loss to Memphis by 14
- Loss to Davidson by 1
- Loss to Missouri by 6
- Loss to Auburn by 4

If our guys shot their career averages the last month or so we're probably sitting at 14-2 (3-1) or so right now. And that's with the bad defense.

At some point you just have to hope at least 1 or 2 of them snap out of it, or perhaps in a perfect world even get hot and start shooting above their averages.

I mean, we've lost 4 of our 5 games by a combined 15 points.