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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:48 am to Robot Santa
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:48 am to Robot Santa
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Bediako is part of our two best defensive lineups based on what George posted. JD was supposed to have the kind of downhill game that Sexton and Kira did, but has thus far shown either an inability or unwillingness to play that way. They were also both pretty big defensive liabilities, but more than negated it by being monsters on offense.
Yea, if JD isn't willing or able to consistently go to the rim, I'm not sure what value he provides (and the numbers play that out). Right now, that's his value. And he doesn't seem to attempt to do it more than 2-3 times a night. He's a huge negative defensively, and his passing is great but totally unused if he's just standing around the perimeter tossing the ball side to side. He's an average outside shooter (which is better than I thought he'd be, to be honest), but his value as a catch and shoot guy is no better than pretty much anyone else.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'm sure it's amateur hour armchair quarterbacking, but I really do think our entire team mentality - specifically on offense but also think it contributes to defense - relies around JD and JQ attacking the rim early in the shot clock. When they are aggressively attacking off the high pick and roll, even when it isn't there, it gets the offense in motion and makes the defense adjust. It forces us into our offense. When they back off the pick and roll, crossover and throw a side pass it almost always ends with us standing around for 12 seconds, resetting and forcing a 3 off a side pass or a forced drive late in the shot clock where we can't break down the defense with 3 passes because we are out of time.
I'd absolutely love to see stats on our PPP and Offensive Efficiency when our guard goes on a hard drive within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock vs possessions when we don't.
I'd absolutely love to see stats on our PPP and Offensive Efficiency when our guard goes on a hard drive within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock vs possessions when we don't.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:54 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea, if JD isn't willing or able to consistently go to the rim, I'm not sure what value he provides (and the numbers play that out). Right now, that's his value. And he doesn't seem to attempt to do it more than 2-3 times a night.
It's really frustrating to watch. If he doesn't have the ability then he's just a bust. Plain and simple. Because his entire game is predicated on being a superior athlete who can put constant pressure on the defense. I don't believe that's the case though. We have seen him successfully attack the rim. I think he's just hesitant to do it for whatever reason. If it's simply deferring to older players then those guys need to check their egos and tell him to cut loose.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:02 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd absolutely love to see stats on our PPP and Offensive Efficiency when our guard goes on a hard drive within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock vs possessions when we don't.
It would be nice to know. Get to work.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:05 am to DT55Forever1
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It would be nice to know. Get to work.
LOL - I think we'd have a better shot convincing Oats to just give us his 3rd party data
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:07 am to DT55Forever1
Oats is gonna have to load up on Shooters in the portal. Next years team doesn’t look to have many
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm sure it's amateur hour armchair quarterbacking, but I really do think our entire team mentality - specifically on offense but also think it contributes to defense - relies around JD and JQ attacking the rim early in the shot clock. When they are aggressively attacking off the high pick and roll, even when it isn't there, it gets the offense in motion and makes the defense adjust. It forces us into our offense. When they back off the pick and roll, crossover and throw a side pass it almost always ends with us standing around for 12 seconds, resetting and forcing a 3 off a side pass or a forced drive late in the shot clock where we can't break down the defense with 3 passes because we are out of time.
I'd absolutely love to see stats on our PPP and Offensive Efficiency when our guard goes on a hard drive within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock vs possessions when we don't.
I totally agree, which is why I pointed out the lack of pick/pop threat from our bigs and the spacing issue.
We are undeniably better offensively when JQ/JD get downhill into the paint early in the possession, but the high ball screens with Bediako/Gurley the last few game have just been clogging the lane and making that more difficult.
If Gurley could somehow find his 35% 3pt stroke again, we would look entirely different from the offensive end. Oats has been trying to tell us that from the beginning, too.
From October 20th, before the season:
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“I like Noah a lot,” Oats said in a press conference on Tuesday. “He gives us that big that can play four and five, both. He can be your spacing five. He shot 38-percent from three in one of his seasons at Furman," Oats said. "He’s a more-than-capable shooter, he can drive, he’s athletic, he can move, he can switch on the ones, he can play the five where we go with it, kinda mismatch — pick-and-pop five. He needs to be good for us to be good this year and he’s starting to figure it out just with his effort and everything.”
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 10:09 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:09 am to SummerOfGeorge
DT - you were asking about +/-, I think I found it buried in Miya's stats
Average +/- per game assuming a player plays 55 possessions (which is about what Shack/JQ/Ellis are averaging)
1. Darius Miles (+14.4)
2. Keon Ellis (+7.7)
3. Noah Gurley (+6.9)
4. Jahvon Quinerly (+6.4)
5. Jaden Shackelford (+6.4)
6. Charles Bediako (+5.0)
7. Juwan Gary (+4.1)
8. JD Davison (+1.9)
Last year, as a comparison
1. Gary (+14.1)
2. Reese (+10.6)
3. Ellis (+8.6)
4. Rojas (+8.4)
5. Petty (+7.9)
6. Herb (+7.7)
7. Shackelford (+7.5)
8. Quinerly (+7.2)
9. Primo (+6.8)
10. Bruner (+4.5)
Average +/- per game assuming a player plays 55 possessions (which is about what Shack/JQ/Ellis are averaging)
1. Darius Miles (+14.4)
2. Keon Ellis (+7.7)
3. Noah Gurley (+6.9)
4. Jahvon Quinerly (+6.4)
5. Jaden Shackelford (+6.4)
6. Charles Bediako (+5.0)
7. Juwan Gary (+4.1)
8. JD Davison (+1.9)
Last year, as a comparison
1. Gary (+14.1)
2. Reese (+10.6)
3. Ellis (+8.6)
4. Rojas (+8.4)
5. Petty (+7.9)
6. Herb (+7.7)
7. Shackelford (+7.5)
8. Quinerly (+7.2)
9. Primo (+6.8)
10. Bruner (+4.5)
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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8. JD Davison (+1.9)
Not Good Cotton, Not Good
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:16 am to SummerOfGeorge
That’s a really cool site 
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:18 am to rockiee
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That’s a really cool site
Yea it's pretty great - lots of awesome CBB sites out there stats wise. They were a lot more fun to look at last year, though, as you can probably attest to as well
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:21 am to mistaken4193
quote:Huh? You’re gonna have to explain this one to me I’m having a hard time
I think Pett missing these last 2 games has had to have somewhat been the reason for our offensive struggles
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:30 am to mistaken4193
quote:I’m not sure I agree with that. Gary is improving his shot and Miles can shoot well when he’s focused. We’ll also get back Burnett, who Oats said was shooting the cover off the ball before he got hurt. From the incoming class, both Miller and Griffen are great shooters, probably some of the best in the upcoming class. Bradley is a solid shooter as well, better than Davison and will keep defenses honest. Clowney is a developing shooter from what I’ve read as well. I think we could us a solid shooting big in the class, but the guard spots will be fine.
Oats is gonna have to load up on Shooters in the portal. Next years team doesn’t look to have many
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
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DT - you were asking about +/-, I think I found it buried in Miya's stats
Average +/- per game assuming a player plays 55 possessions
Thanks, man. Appreciate all the digging.
I was wondering why we didn't see JD for a big period of time in the 2nd half last night and now I know.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:43 am to DT55Forever1
I’m not gonna cry about the personnel because shite happens, but it’s obvious to see Oats’ hands are tied behind his back. We have guards that can shoot&create for themselves/out of position wings that can’t shoot or create for themselves/ and bigs that can’t shoot or create for themselves. Our offense is predicated off of the drive and kick like we all know. It’s obvious to me to see what our problem is. The solution, is just patience imo. Let them find their identity as a team in conference play and what works best with the personnel we have. I still think this team has f4 potential, but we’re trying to stick a square peg in a round hole right now
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 10:58 am to SummerOfGeorge
Oh yes
It was a great timely site for both teams imo.
On our end we are really struggling trying to understand who works well together. It’s so frustrating when you might have 4-5 guys that are great on offense but struggle on defense and vice versa. That site really helps to see through the clutter of that and expose our own eye bias at times.
It was a great timely site for both teams imo.
On our end we are really struggling trying to understand who works well together. It’s so frustrating when you might have 4-5 guys that are great on offense but struggle on defense and vice versa. That site really helps to see through the clutter of that and expose our own eye bias at times.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 11:49 am to IRobbedMyMom
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Huh? You’re gonna have to explain this one to me I’m having a hard time
Oats has said in multiple interview/Podcast that Pettway calls the offensive plays and Henry calls the defense
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 11:58 am to DLev45
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I’m wondering if we are still using that training aid that adds arc to our 3pt shots and it has screwed Gurley up? If he was more of a line drive shooter, that could have broken it.
Went back and looked at Gurley's Furman highlights and his shot doesn't look any different, other than making them.
So back to mystery territory. I still think he needs to start at the 5 and keep trying to fire from the pick/pop action to see if he can break out of the slump and find it. We have to get more stretch from that position if we want to start humming on offense again.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 11:59 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 12:01 pm to mistaken4193
quote:We run a motion offense, there’s no “plays” per se. The only difference is the sets we run, and that’s decided by what lineup Oats puts on the floor(ie; 4out1in,3out2in,5out,etc…)
Pettway calls the offensive plays
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/22/21 at 12:04 pm to IRobbedMyMom
quote:I completely agree, and I honestly like JD and Bediako on the floor at the same time off the bench. Their pnr is deadly when everyone else is out on the perimeter.
We have to get more stretch from that position if we want to start humming on offense again.
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