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Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:01 am to
FUUUCK...last night sucked.

Last years team really fricked with our expectations. Making the tournament is a good season and we are still in strong position to do that
Posted by Skybox_rtr
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 6:12 am to
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Last years team really fricked with our expectations. Making the tournament is a good season and we are still in strong position to do that
Yes last night sucked, but we need to pump the brakes a bit on the horrible new outlook for this team. We’re a top 25 team still no matter that loss, just not top 10 like many of us were hoping to start the year. If you told me starting the season we’d be 9-3 to start conference play though, that’s about what I would have expected. Now, we’ve lost to different teams than I would have expected too, but that’s just the way basketball happens sometimes. You can win or lose to just about any team on a given night. It’s the great teams that are consistent, something we have a whole conference schedule to figure out.

Our defense wasn’t what it needed to be last night, but they still shot out of their minds too. It’s hard to beat a team when they shoot 50 percent from the field and 3pt. And they play solid defense on top of that. Need to get back the urgency and energy we were playing with when we beat Houston and Gonzaga and I believe we will.
Posted by RumHam
Huntsville
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:21 am to
If only there was a mute/ignore option.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 7:22 am
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13151 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 7:36 am to
That guy is well past the mute button. He's just another loser LSU troll.

Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:11 am to
Realized watching in person last night that the main offensive problem is the absolute lack of a pick and pop threat from our 5s.

Last year, the combination of Bruner/Reese/Rojas shot 29% from 3pt on 6-7 attempts per game.

This year, Bediako/Gurley have shot 21% on 2-3 attempts per game from the 5, and that’s all Gurley because Bediako hasn’t attempted one.

With a pop threat from the 5, it’s all pick and rolls, which just clogs the middle whenever JQ and JD try to drive it. There isn’t any room to get to the paint.

Gurley was supposed to be an offensive upgrade for the pick and pop coming in as a 35% career 3pt shooter over 3 years at Furman. But his 3pt woes have stifled what worked so well on offense last year. We are really missing what Bruner/Reese gave us in terms of floor spacing.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 8:22 am
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:21 am to
The ball sticks so much this year compared to last it feels like. It just seems like we over dribble, wait for a ball screen, and then continue to play iso ball as opposed to really getting the ball swinging around and making the defense work more. We did that unbelievably well in the 2nd half of Miami and 1st half of Gonzaga but for the most part it’s not been very good. As poor as our offense has been at times though, it’s the defense and rebounding that continues to haunt us.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:24 am to
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FUUUCK...last night sucked.

Last years team really fricked with our expectations. Making the tournament is a good season and we are still in strong position to do that


I think most of us were hoping we'd end up with just 3 losses at this point. I don't think the expectations were from last year's team as much as they were from this year's team after the Gonzaga and Houston games.

9-3 with this schedule is pretty incredible. The losses weren't where we expected them and we have a lot to figure out defensively, but us taking down 2 top 5 caliber teams in consecutive games is a very good sign for this team come March. We just have to come out with that intensity every time. The past few games we've lost a lot of fire on the defensive end, and it's bit us in the arse twice.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6082 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:30 am to
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it’s the defense and rebounding that continues to haunt us.


I honestly believe that if we fix the defensive issues the rebounding issue won't be the glaring problem it is. It's almost as if our guards are trying to funnel their ball handler into the help defense, which is leaving far too many offensive rebounding opportunities for the opponent. Stop the penetration and those offensive rebounding opportunities will cease to exist.

Quinerly can't be as bad as he was offensively last night, because he's absolutely destroying us on the other end.
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:40 am to
JSU actually moved back into Q3.

Alabama is now the only team in the Top 300 NET that hasn't played a single Q4 game.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 8:41 am
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:42 am to
I think Pett missing these last 2 games has had to have somewhat been the reason for our offensive struggles
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:57 am to
I don’t think that’s the case at all. It’s Oats’ offense, he just gave Pett another title to keep him happy.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26662 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 8:58 am to
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Realized watching in person last night that the main offensive problem is the absolute lack of a pick and pop threat from our 5s.


This is why I scratch my head about Tchikou. Watch his highlights he can shoot the three and is comfortable doing it. He can't be that bad. He's pouring in threes from everywhere.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:08 am
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:01 am to
Posted by DLev45
Member since Aug 2018
732 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:01 am to
quote:

The ball sticks so much this year compared to last it feels like. It just seems like we over dribble, wait for a ball screen, and then continue to play iso ball as opposed to really getting the ball swinging around and making the defense work more. We did that unbelievably well in the 2nd half of Miami and 1st half of Gonzaga but for the most part it’s not been very good. As poor as our offense has been at times though, it’s the defense and rebounding that continues to haunt us.



The best ball movement comes from getting into the paint and kicking out, so I think those go hand and hand. Bad spacing without a stretching pop threat from our bigs like Reese/Bruner is making it hard on our guards to drive it and key everything else.

The other team's bigs are just sagging off our ball screen and staying in the lane and the defensive guards are going over screens to keep the guards from shooting the 3.

Last year, if the defensive big sagged and the guard went over the ball screen, Reese or Bruner were wide open at the top of the key and making those 3s at a good clip. And if the big stayed with Reese/Bruner, our guards had an open lane to drive, which keyed everything else.

We have to figure out a way to scheme a better advantage in the 2v2 game at the top of the key between our PG/C because the lob dunks to Bediako that we were getting frequently to start the season haven't been there the last few weeks.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41017 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:02 am to
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Alabama fell from No. 22 to No. 25 in NET after last night’s loss to Davidson, which moved up to No. 44.

And as Nate Oats predicted, Alabama fell out of the top 50 in KenPom defensive efficiency. They’re No. 53, which is the second-worst of any AP top 25 team (CSU worse).
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41017 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:03 am to
Posted by Allthatfades
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2014
9321 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:04 am to
Fix the defense is easier said than done. We just have alot of guys who aren’t very good defenders.
Posted by Bryant91092
Member since Dec 2009
25587 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:05 am to
I don’t know why he doesn’t get PT since I’m not at practices, but when I do watch him in warmups, he doesn’t make shots at a high level. That’s a very small sample size though.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41017 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:05 am to
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Nate Oats: “We’ve got different options to go with at the 5. Maybe should’ve gone with Noah a little bit more tonight, because Charles struggled as much as he did. But Charles had been good for us.”

“Noah was good. I think Noah had our best efficiency numbers tonight.”
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13151 posts
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:05 am to
Davidson coach Bob McKillop’s 616th career win came in a game that was not even on his school’s schedule five days earlier, and he had yet to reach his seat for his postgame news conference Tuesday night before he began reacting to a 79-78 upset of tenth-ranked Alabama.

“We play a style of basketball that people don’t like to play against,” the 33rd-year coach said. “Nate [Oats] graciously pursued playing us. I want to say thanks to him for doing that.”

“We told our guys, if you’re not gonna get any pressure on them, disrupt timing, get some deflections, force turnovers, you’re not gonna be able to beat them,” Oats said. “I told our guys before the game, these are the three best top-three shooters of any team we’ve played all year. If you’re going to give them open shots, you’re going to get beat.

“I think we’ve got the personnel,” said Oats, who mentioned possibly giving senior forward Noah Gurley more minutes over freshman center Charles Bediako. “If we get the mindset corrected, we can give a good defensive team. I don’t think the mindset is there right now.

“We can’t win like we did last year without guys really buying into being great individual defenders, great team defenders and just giving us an effort on defense. Until we get that figured out, we’re going to be a pretty average team.”

McKillop compared Tuesday’s environment to an NCAA tournament game, which the reopened venue will host in 2023.

“The crowd was frenetic and it was terrific,” he said. “It was an absolutely great crowd. It was just wholesome. And by the way, roll Tide. I’m a closet Saban fan.”

McKillop, a former high school coach on Long Island before taking over Davidson’s program in 1989, said he has a kinship with Oats, another former high school coach, and “loves” Alabama’s style of play. Alabama’s three-point heavy approach yielded some results Tuesday, with the Tide finishing 12-of-36 and powering some of its comeback runs -- but it was ultimately not enough.


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