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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:06 am to Bryant91092
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:06 am to Bryant91092
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don’t think that’s the case at all. It’s Oats’ offense, he just gave Pett another title to keep him happy.
Oats has said Pett calls the plays.
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:08 am to Chadaristic
Not surprised SQ had us winning. Their Center banked in a 3 from the top of the key in crunch time at the end of the shot clock.
Obviously shouldn’t have come down to that anyway, but it was also pretty lucky. It was that kind of night for them from deep.
Obviously shouldn’t have come down to that anyway, but it was also pretty lucky. It was that kind of night for them from deep.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:09 am to DLev45
All that matters is beating Tenn.
We don't want to lose that one and have to go on the road for 2 before Auburn.
JUST BEAT TENNESSEE. Everything will be fine.
We don't want to lose that one and have to go on the road for 2 before Auburn.
JUST BEAT TENNESSEE. Everything will be fine.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:11 am to Bryant91092
EvanMiya Stats
Our best and worst 3-man lineups with at least 200 possessions
- Keon appears in all of the top 5
- JD appears in all of the bottom 3
- We cannot play JD/JQ/Shack together
Even when you bump it down to a minimum of 50 possessions (which gives you 46 different 3 man lineups)..........the JD/JQ/Shack 3-man lineup is STILL the worst one. And by a LOT.
Our best and worst 3-man lineups with at least 200 possessions
- Keon appears in all of the top 5
- JD appears in all of the bottom 3
- We cannot play JD/JQ/Shack together
Even when you bump it down to a minimum of 50 possessions (which gives you 46 different 3 man lineups)..........the JD/JQ/Shack 3-man lineup is STILL the worst one. And by a LOT.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:14 am to mistaken4193
When I watch the sidelines during the game (not that often), Oats is the one that gives play instructions if we are running a set play. Pettway appears to be the clapper/motivational guy. Then on defense it’s Henry that screams out orders the entire time.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:14 am to SummerOfGeorge
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- We cannot play JD/JQ/Shack together
We spent a lot of time discussing this before the season and it's looking like our concerns were valid.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:15 am to Bryant91092
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I don’t know why Tchikou doesn’t get PT since I’m not at practices, but when I do watch him in warmups, he doesn’t make shots at a high level. That’s a very small sample size though.
If we could just get Gurley going, that would help tremendously on offense. I can’t fathom for the life of me how he has been as bad as he has from outside. Dude was a 34.4% career 3pt shooter on 279 attempts before transferring.
He is shooting 20.7% this year from 3. The rim didn’t get taller, smaller, or further away from Furman to Alabama.
He airballed one long yesterday that missed the rim by 3 feet on a wide open look.
I’m wondering if we are still using that training aid that adds arc to our 3pt shots and it has screwed him up? If he was more of a line drive shooter, that could have broken it.
Then again, Reese and Ellis are like-drive 3-point shooters and it seems like Oats let them stick to what they are comfortable with.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:19 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:18 am to Chadaristic
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:23 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ellis, JQ, Shack, Miles and Gurley seem to be the 4 that show up the most in our best lineups.
3 lineups that have a Team Defensive Efficiency of under 90
- 3 of 3 (Ellis, JQ, Shack)
- 2 of 3 (Bediako, Miles)
- 1 of 3 (Gurley)
- 0 of 3 (Gary, JD)
3 lineups that have a Team Defensive Efficiency of under 90
- 3 of 3 (Ellis, JQ, Shack)
- 2 of 3 (Bediako, Miles)
- 1 of 3 (Gurley)
- 0 of 3 (Gary, JD)
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
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- We cannot play JD/JQ/Shack together
I'm not even sure it's wise to play 2 of them together at this point. I don't know how you manage that situation if you're Oats, but I think he has to find a way.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Our best and worst 3-man lineups with at least 200 possessions
The numbers are what they are but how in the world is Gurley involved in the top groupings? It makes no sense. Just watching the games, he has not been good at all.
Do you have anything that shows our +/- when he is on the floor?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:30 am to DT55Forever1
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The numbers are what they are but how in the world is Gurley involved in the top groupings? It makes no sense. Just watching the games, he has not been good at all.
My guess would be that he's a pretty solid all around help defender that sures up the team defense, and also because he is less of an impact on offensive and defensive efficiency due to his off ball position. Could also, on offense, come down to the fact that teams still play him as if he's a viable pick and pop 3 point shooter even when he is struggling, which opens things up. Or it could have to do with us running things more through him as a pick and pop when he is in the game.
A lot of possibilities, but those are pretty legitimate numbers over large possession samples. Individually he hasn't been great, at least to my eye, but the team clearly plays more efficiently on both ends of the floor when he is in the game. Especially defensively.
He is part of 2 of our 3 worst offensive lineups, and only part of 1 of our 3 best offensive lineups.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
The bad thing is that this does not look good at all for our long term success. We really needed JD and Bediako to be special and productive this season, but according to these numbers, they are a detriment when on the court. If Bediako and JD can't mix in an effective outside shot, we are in big trouble.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:38 am to DT55Forever1
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The bad thing is that this does not look good at all for our long term success. We really needed JD and Bediako to be special and productive this season, but according to these numbers, they are a detriment when on the court. If Bediako and JD can't mix in an effective outside shot, we are in big trouble.
Yea, it isn't a great sign.
The other thing these numbers do is verify what most of our eyes tell us about JD's defense - it's so bad and so lost that it basically craters the entire team defense. He gets beat either on the ball or off the ball so immediately and so badly that it forces everyone else to chase and get out of position. Combine that with other guys who aren't great defenders (JQ especially), and you have a nightmare scenario against a team with any semblance of ball movement and good offense.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
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because he is less of an impact on offensive and defensive efficiency due to his off ball position. Could also, on offense, come down to the fact that teams still play him as if he's a viable pick and pop 3 point shooter even when he is struggling, which opens things up.
So basically Reese 2.0, but we did our usual shite of hyping him up to be a big time playmaker.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:43 am to Robot Santa
Also, just playing around, but another interesting one
2 Players on the Floor together with at least 175 possessions (198 combinations in the SEC)
The best Team Offensive Rating in the SEC is when Keon Ellis and Darius Miles are on the floor together. And the Defensive Efficiency is pretty good too (top 30 or so).
On the flip side, the 4th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Noah Gurley and the 6th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Jaden Shackelford. The 17th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Jahvon Quinerly. So.......yea, there is a constant there.
Also - the only other defensive combos in the Bottom 17 are Georgia and Missouri. So......yea.
2 Players on the Floor together with at least 175 possessions (198 combinations in the SEC)
The best Team Offensive Rating in the SEC is when Keon Ellis and Darius Miles are on the floor together. And the Defensive Efficiency is pretty good too (top 30 or so).
On the flip side, the 4th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Noah Gurley and the 6th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Jaden Shackelford. The 17th worst defensive rating is JD Davison and Jahvon Quinerly. So.......yea, there is a constant there.
Also - the only other defensive combos in the Bottom 17 are Georgia and Missouri. So......yea.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
The numbers aren't lying. JQ/Shack/Ellis/Gary/Gurley is our best lineup right now, even if it doesn't look like it for the eye test. That should be the starting 5 we roll with and adjust from there with Bediako/JD/Miles as subs while minimizing JQ/Shack/JD being on the floor at the same time.
The most disappointing thing about JD has been his defensive numbers. Everyone knew coming in that JD was a 5-star athlete/distributor/slasher, but possibly an average-to-minus jump shooter. But with sure-fire 5-star athleticism, you would expect he would be a + defender.
The most disappointing thing about JD has been his defensive numbers. Everyone knew coming in that JD was a 5-star athlete/distributor/slasher, but possibly an average-to-minus jump shooter. But with sure-fire 5-star athleticism, you would expect he would be a + defender.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:45 am to DLev45
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But with sure-fire 5-star athleticism, you would expect he would be a +defender.
Or at the very least an athletic defender who gets beat by smart players and schemes some. He's both lost and bad. A pretty terrible combination.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:46 am to DT55Forever1
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We really needed JD and Bediako to be special and productive this season, but according to these numbers, they are a detriment when on the court. If Bediako and JD can't mix in an effective outside shot, we are in big trouble.
Bediako is part of our two best defensive lineups based on what George posted. JD was supposed to have the kind of downhill game that Sexton and Kira did, but has thus far shown either an inability or unwillingness to play that way. They were also both pretty big defensive liabilities, but more than negated it by being monsters on offense.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:48 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The other thing these numbers do is verify what most of our eyes tell us about JD's defense - it's so bad and so lost that it basically craters the entire team defense.
I mentioned that when he signed and got absolutely cratered for it. Watching his defense in high school had me very concerned especially his help defense. Alot of people only watched his AAU highlights and thought it wasn't a big deal due to weaker defense in those leagues overall.
Now, if he were going to be here 2-3 years, it might be something he could really improve on; but I'm afraid he'll leave after this year. He needs to stay and improve defensively and his outside shot.
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