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Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:49 pm to Chadaristic
Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:49 pm to Chadaristic
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I don't know if it's semantics or just miscommunication, but I think you are both pretty close to the same opinion.
Thanks, Chad, but it's clearly semantics. He said it twice.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 3:56 pm to IRobbedMyMom
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:11 pm to BigBird09
quote:Semantics
Thanks, Chad, but it's clearly semantics. He said it twice.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 4:15 pm to IRobbedMyMom
Posted on 8/19/22 at 9:23 pm to TrojanTide
I think our 2023 recruiting strategy is to go after some top-proven transfers to mix in with the younger guys we should have returning like Bradley, Clowney, Griffen ect.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/20/22 at 7:00 am to CrimsonFever
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11/7/22 | Longwood
11/11/22 | Liberty
11/15/22 | @ South Alabama
11/18/22 | Jacksonville State
Great schedule to start the season with. Should absolutely start 4-0 and these are all teams who should do very well in their respective leagues. Should be great NET games.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 3:18 pm to Allthatfades
Liberty could beat us ala Iona if we shite the bed. Agree we go 4-0 though
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:10 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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Agree we go 4-0 though
I think we’ll be 2-2, then beat MSU, UCONN/Oregon, and UNC at the PKI, leaving us in our traditionally perplexed state of confusion about the quality of the team.
Seriously though, I’ll be pretty disappointed if we lose any of those games. We could, but definitely shouldn’t.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 9:15 pm to CaptainMorgan
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I’ll be pretty disappointed if we lose any of those games. We could, but definitely shouldn’t.
The essence of Alabama basketball.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 2:00 pm to IRobbedMyMom
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Liberty could beat us ala Iona if we shite the bed. Agree we go 4-0 though
Do they also have a disgraced coach trying to redeem themselves at Liberty? Or is that just their football program?
Honestly, I don't know why we scheduled the Fightin' Cucks.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/21/22 at 2:01 pm to CaptainMorgan
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Seriously though, I’ll be pretty disappointed if we lose any of those games. We could, but definitely shouldn’t.
We sure as hell don't need to start the year with a quad 3 loss.
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:48 pm to CCTider
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We sure as hell don't need to start the year with a quad 3 loss.
I completely agree, but the best team we’ve had in two decades lost to WKU OOC. We lost early to Iona last year. Penn the year before. Those are probably “better” losses than anything in our first four games this season, but they shouldn’t have been competitive anyway. So, we “should win them”, but I don’t count my chickens anymore.
For the record, I don’t think we’ll drop any games before the PKI and expect us to make a good showing there, but I also wouldn’t be surprised by a loss anywhere before or during either.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:31 am to CaptainMorgan
Rylan Griffen Adds Important Depth to Alabama Backcourt (SI)
The Texas product will have the chance to carve out a role early in his collegiate career with the Crimson Tide.
The Texas product will have the chance to carve out a role early in his collegiate career with the Crimson Tide.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 10:53 am to Alabama_Fan
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Roll. Damn. Tide.
Nates Oats and the Bama boys roll in at #19 in our countdown...
The Tide went one and done in the NCAAT last year, deflated by a soul-crushing in-game injury to Jahvon Quinerly. He *could* be back by SEC but this train will depart without him to start the year
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Quinerly isn't the only injury question mark hovering over the Tide this season. Last year, injuries gutted Bama's rotation continuity, as did a 'me-above-team' mentality. Oats staunchly believes this revamped roster is now a cohesive unit with team-led goals in mind...
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If health and chemistry hold, there's nothing stopping Bama from launching into an elite contender. They're deep, talented, and versatile at every position. Even w/o Quinerly, we spy 10 players who are SEC starter-caliber
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The backcourt sets the blistering pace, spearheaded by veteran imports Mark Sears, Nimari Burnett & Dom Welch, plus two heralded rookies in Jaden Bradley (top-20) & Rylan Griffen (top-50)...
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Bama couldn’t buy a bucket from downtown last season, and had to manufacture points inside to score consistently. The Tide will still hoist a ton of 3s but this burly backcourt will punish opponents at the rim as well
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The Tide did damage on the offensive glass last year, and should again this season on the backs of Charles Bediako, Noah Gurley & rookie Noah Clowney. Oats loathed his team's lack of physicality last season so this unit will be under the microscope all year long
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The X-factor could be Darius Miles. The loss of Keon Ellis looms large, as he filled that two-way matrix glue piece mastered by Herb Jones in 2020. Miles isn't Herb Jones 2.0 but he's a blooming swiss-army asset on the wing
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A dominant foreign tour showed the stable of weapons at Oats' disposal. 5-star blue-chipper Brandon Miller shined the brightest, emerging as the alpha dog in key stretches...
Bama's ceiling runs as high as anyone. Are we fools for not nudging the Tide into top-10 territory?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 1:25 pm to Chadaristic
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Are we fools for not nudging the Tide into top-10 territory?
I'm pretty confident about this team, but until we string together a 3-4 year run of consistently playing like a top 25 program I think it's fair to question whether what's on paper will show up on the court. I think we have a top 10-15 type team in theory, but if they fall victim to some of the same pitfalls last year's team did then they'll underperform again.
We also have to keep in mind that Oats was coaching high school basketball and teaching algebra to teenagers 10 years ago and only spent 2 seasons as a D1 assistant at Buffalo before they promoted him after Hurley left. At this point I've seen enough to have faith that his system and coaching style work, but it might still take a while before he figures out the personnel management side of things and starts to put a consistent product on the court from year to year. That aspect of being a HC is probably the last thing most coaches learn. It's not enough to simply bring in good players. You have to bring in good players who are also good fits for your particular program, and it takes time to figure out what those kids look like as recruits.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:23 pm to Robot Santa
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We also have to keep in mind that Oats was coaching high school basketball and teaching algebra to teenagers 10 years ago and only spent 2 seasons as a D1 assistant at Buffalo before they promoted him after Hurley left. At this point I've seen enough to have faith that his system and coaching style work, but it might still take a while before he figures out the personnel management side of things and starts to put a consistent product on the court from year to year. That aspect of being a HC is probably the last thing most coaches learn. It's not enough to simply bring in good players. You have to bring in good players who are also good fits for your particular program, and it takes time to figure out what those kids look like as recruits.
This is what makes Oats such an asset to have. For most of the other coaches we could have hired (I wanted Thad Matta personally), they either didn't have the success Oats had, had up and down careers, or you knew exactly what you were getting and there was no upside past that. Getting a young coach toward the start of the analytical approach with a set system that was dedicated to it, was a ballsy but fantastic decision by Byrne. I'd say this hire was easily the greatest success of the Byrne era to date.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:47 pm to BigBird09
Absolutely
Oats has already shown he's very good at almost all the basketball specific stuff as well as recruiting. And like Robot said, the CEO type stuff is the last thing most coaches figure out - and Oats had even less experience with than than most young coaches due to his shallow college experience and zero large conference experience before coming to Tuscaloosa.
He's a smart guy who works his arse off and is willing to sell analyze and adjust (see the response to last year's issues). I have no doubts he'll figure it out through experience.
Oats has already shown he's very good at almost all the basketball specific stuff as well as recruiting. And like Robot said, the CEO type stuff is the last thing most coaches figure out - and Oats had even less experience with than than most young coaches due to his shallow college experience and zero large conference experience before coming to Tuscaloosa.
He's a smart guy who works his arse off and is willing to sell analyze and adjust (see the response to last year's issues). I have no doubts he'll figure it out through experience.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 5:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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He's a smart guy who works his arse off and is willing to sell analyze and adjust (see the response to last year's issues). I have no doubts he'll figure it out through experience.
Yep. And I didn't mean to imply that it'd be a long process or anything. It just takes experience to get to where you can identify actual personality traits based on limited interactions with recruits. This is going to be the first team he has had with only players he recruited, so if the chemistry is right with this group it'll be a really positive sign.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:15 pm to Robot Santa
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Yep. And I didn't mean to imply that it'd be a long process or anything. It just takes experience to get to where you can identify actual personality traits based on limited interactions with recruits. This is going to be the first team he has had with only players he recruited, so if the chemistry is right with this group it'll be a really positive sign.
Last year was legitimately his first real encounter with high level D1 athletes going in different directions on a team. That can happen at any level, but it certainly is a different beast when you have a roster full of guys who feel like they have realistic NBA or other professional goals.
The quick response to that is great to see. Hopefully it plays out the way it seems to be going in terms of roster cohesion.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
A lot of that is just convincing guys that if you buy in and focus on winning, the rest tends to sort itself out. NBA franchises are billion dollar organizations that pour enormous amounts of time and money into scouting. If you can play, they'll find you. Period.
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