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Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:59 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Kentucky has three titles since 1978. Two were Rick (96, 98 was his guys) and one was Calipari
I’m not sure why you think Kentucky automatically wins you a title
We are not struggling to spend as an athletic department, nor are we struggling to spend in basketball. This isn’t the Alabama basketball of Gottfrieds years
I’m not sure why you think Kentucky automatically wins you a title
We are not struggling to spend as an athletic department, nor are we struggling to spend in basketball. This isn’t the Alabama basketball of Gottfrieds years
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 12:01 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:00 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
No… don’t change the subject. You said $10 mil a yr and you’re dead wrong about it. No way they pay Oats that. You think they will pay him $10 mil a yr? More than Hurley? lol
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:01 am to UhOhOreo
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Kentucky has three titles since 1978. Two were Rick (96, 98 was his guys) and one was Calipari
I’m not sure why you think Kentucky automatically wins you a title
How many NBA players have played at UK?
Oats is probably top 5 coaches in America. And he has much to prove. Think Saban when he came to BAMA.
Oats could have UK in the Final Four or bust mode very year because of the talent they get. BAMA's run was magical this year. I'll never forget it, but UK is the much better job.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:02 am to UhOhOreo
Hodgson is arguably the best recruiter in the country and runs the same system as Nate. It wouldn’t be a good ol boy hire
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:03 am to hwyman108
Who's changing the subject? I think UK is seriously considering pulling Oats now so they don't have to pay MORE later. Yes.
There's no other coach to go after. He's it. And Oats would be crazy to take less because UK is desperate to win. And they have the money and resolve to do it.
There's no other coach to go after. He's it. And Oats would be crazy to take less because UK is desperate to win. And they have the money and resolve to do it.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:04 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Yep. Kentucky fans were done with Calipari.
Hodgson is a great recruiter and runs Nates system. He's up for national coach of the year.
Hodgson is a great recruiter and runs Nates system. He's up for national coach of the year.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:05 am to mistaken4193
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Hodgson is arguably the best recruiter in the country and runs the same system as Nate. It wouldn’t be a good ol boy hire
I agree. Winning where he is is impressive.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:05 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
They may hire Oats but not for $10 mil a yr.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:08 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
Oats has had better players at Alabama in the last few years than Kentucky. He hasn’t had a problem getting top talent here so it’s not like going to Kentucky suddenly means he’s flush with talent. He has a top 5 class coming in at Alabama next year. There’s a pretty negligible difference in the type of players he’d get at Kentucky and a whole hell of a lot more headache.
I won’t fault him if he chooses to go and I’ll always be a fan and appreciate his time. But I sincerely hope he realizes he is the guy here and can keep building something special.
I won’t fault him if he chooses to go and I’ll always be a fan and appreciate his time. But I sincerely hope he realizes he is the guy here and can keep building something special.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:09 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
NBA draft picks since 2020:
Alabama: 4 1sts, 2 2nds
Kansas: 5 1sts, 1 2nd
Kentucky: 6 1sts, 3 2nds (only two in top 20)
UConn: 2 1sts, 2 2nds
Calipari is arguably the best recruiter in basketball, but I’m not sure I follow you on this “lack of talent” issue.
Again, stop looking at pre 2010’s history. Texas, Baylor, Arizona, etc. all spend in that upper echelon on sports now. Most programs in the SEC/Big 12 are now matching Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA on spending.
This is not the 1970’s, it’s not a massive spending gap like college football. Most schools are realizing strong college basketball programs rake in money just like college football and are actively improving it
Alabama: 4 1sts, 2 2nds
Kansas: 5 1sts, 1 2nd
Kentucky: 6 1sts, 3 2nds (only two in top 20)
UConn: 2 1sts, 2 2nds
Calipari is arguably the best recruiter in basketball, but I’m not sure I follow you on this “lack of talent” issue.
Again, stop looking at pre 2010’s history. Texas, Baylor, Arizona, etc. all spend in that upper echelon on sports now. Most programs in the SEC/Big 12 are now matching Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA on spending.
This is not the 1970’s, it’s not a massive spending gap like college football. Most schools are realizing strong college basketball programs rake in money just like college football and are actively improving it
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:11 am to mistaken4193
He won 20 games at Arkansas State. In what fricking world is that the resume you immediately hire?
It’s the exact definition of a good old boy hire. It’s the Michigan Man of Alabama basketball, you’re hiring an unproven ex-assistant off one year of .500 basketball simply because he worked in that circle
It’s the exact definition of a good old boy hire. It’s the Michigan Man of Alabama basketball, you’re hiring an unproven ex-assistant off one year of .500 basketball simply because he worked in that circle
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 12:12 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:12 am to hwyman108
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They may hire Oats but not for $10 mil a yr.
Hurley makes $500k more than Oats now.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:12 am to Sandkhan
It's going to take more than platitudes to keep Oats here. It's going to take a lot of cash. Maybe that won't sit well with Byrne and the trustees, after giving him a nice raise. But the reality is, Kentucky will pay him more. And we have to make it too expensive for them or we will lose our roster, our recruiting class, and all of our momentum.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:18 am to RiverCityTider
Ding ding ding
The Mal Moore quote sums this up pretty easily. Saban was the best financial decision the school ever made, simply because the return was 100x what we spent in brand value, enrollment, donations, etc.
I don’t think they’ll be too miffed about it but I don’t think they’re stupid enough to think a 2-3M increase in salary outweighs losing this massive momentum and program building we’re doing in the middle of a huge capital campaign
If we lose, I highly doubt it’s due to salary
The Mal Moore quote sums this up pretty easily. Saban was the best financial decision the school ever made, simply because the return was 100x what we spent in brand value, enrollment, donations, etc.
I don’t think they’ll be too miffed about it but I don’t think they’re stupid enough to think a 2-3M increase in salary outweighs losing this massive momentum and program building we’re doing in the middle of a huge capital campaign
If we lose, I highly doubt it’s due to salary
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 12:19 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:18 am to Gideon Swashbuckler
So? Kentucky isn’t going to pay him $10 million dollars a yr. Lol
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:19 am to UhOhOreo
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Again, stop looking at pre 2010’s history.
You are looking at UK under Coach Cal. He very much under-performed for over $8m/year.
Oats has OVER-performed. UK wants somebody that can come in, get a class together and go to the tourney right away and make Elite 8s and Final Fours or win natties every season. Oats is that guy. He'd be crazy to not be the highest coach in America.
All he needs is a place that is a national brand.
You think Bill Self is a better coach than Nate Oats?
You think Tom Izzo is a better coach than Oats is today? You think Bruce Pearl or Rick Barnes is? There's a reason Auburn and Tenner aren't sweating right now. There's also a reason Kansas and MichSt aren't sweating either, but it isn't the same reason.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:21 am to hwyman108
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So? Kentucky isn’t going to pay him $10 million dollars a yr. Lol
I'd like to take this opportunity to personally thank you for the wealth of insight you've provided in this conversation.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:21 am to RiverCityTider
This is a completely different basketball world than just a few years ago. UK has won 1 NC in the last quarter of a century. Alabama is certainly behind UK but not nearly as much as a few here think. Alabama's basketball history has been better than many think and as Oats' agent told him, "He has everything at Alabama to win big.".
Alabama can match UK and will likely do so if needed, especially seeing that UA is only behind by $1.5 mil - they would be foolish to not match. Oats will likely stay if he has the choice.
Alabama can match UK and will likely do so if needed, especially seeing that UA is only behind by $1.5 mil - they would be foolish to not match. Oats will likely stay if he has the choice.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 12:21 am to RiverCityTider
And we should pay him. In no way should we get outbid. Kentucky absolutely does not have more money than us as a full athletics department. We just went 20 years without having to pay any football buyouts and should’ve been stacking an absolute war chest while other programs were paying 80 million to people not to coach.
Nate Oats is the first coach to make people around Alabama give a shite about basketball. Theres no way we lose him for money reasons. It just comes down to what he wants professionally. We have all the resources to win here and I’d rather build something than be just another guy but we’ll see what he wants
Nate Oats is the first coach to make people around Alabama give a shite about basketball. Theres no way we lose him for money reasons. It just comes down to what he wants professionally. We have all the resources to win here and I’d rather build something than be just another guy but we’ll see what he wants
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