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re: There should be an 8 team playoff
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:32 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:32 pm to RiverCityTider
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All the conferences would get in.
frick that. I don't care if all 4 of the best teams are from the B1G. They would deserve to get in.
frick giving Oregon a playoff spot this year just because you feel sorry for them. A playoff spot should NEVER be a participation prize.
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 1:58 pm to RiverCityTider
An 8 team playoff would make the bowl season more meaningful. This playoff or bust mentality is killing the post season.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:02 pm to RiverCityTider
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All the conferences would get in.
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8 team playoff
There's 10 conferences
Posted on 1/15/21 at 2:03 pm to Evolved Simian
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A playoff spot should NEVER be a participation prize
It's more if you win.
In fact, if you do everything a system says you need to do, then actually, you have earned it in every sense.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:04 pm to RiverCityTider
They never should have left the BCS but given there is no going back to the old system, I actually favor expansion.
The problem is we're told bowls don't matter anymore, conferences aren't regional anymore and too large, and lots of teams don't play their traditional rivals. This leaves almost every school with nothing to play for, and since the playoffs are the sole focus of the media, those schools that have gotten in are the sole focus of recruits. It's a vicious cycle and if it continues on this course, CFB is doomed.
Expanding the playoffs alone won't accomplish anything in terms of parity though like some people suggest. The only way to return to more parity is either through a rule change to scholarships, budgets or a return to smaller conferences.
The problem is we're told bowls don't matter anymore, conferences aren't regional anymore and too large, and lots of teams don't play their traditional rivals. This leaves almost every school with nothing to play for, and since the playoffs are the sole focus of the media, those schools that have gotten in are the sole focus of recruits. It's a vicious cycle and if it continues on this course, CFB is doomed.
Expanding the playoffs alone won't accomplish anything in terms of parity though like some people suggest. The only way to return to more parity is either through a rule change to scholarships, budgets or a return to smaller conferences.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:11 pm to Evolved Simian
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I don't care if all 4 of the best teams are from the B1G. They would deserve to get in.
There is no way to judge this objectively. The best teams argument is asinine. It's just an excuse to allow the committee to justify whatever it wants.
I think we were the fourth best team in '19, but there's no way we should've been in a playoff.
Should Ohio State have been in over Michigan State in '15? Sure Michigan State beat Ohio State and won the B1G, but if we're being honest, that Ohio State team was better.
Results have to matter. Hell if not, let's give the '07 Patriots the Super Bowl and the Soviet hockey team the gold in Lake Placid.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:32 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Should be the best 8 with a conference ring caring major weight but not automatic. Perhaps the Big 5 get a spot and 3 more at large teams. I like Bama's chance with that scheme.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:35 pm to RiverCityTider
Expand to 8, but DO NOT give P5 champions an automatic bid. I know people think that this will get the G5 teams involved and in the rare occasion, it might. Let’s say that a 9-3 UF team upsets a 12-0 BAMA and it is close in the SEC title game. Both are likely getting in under the “all P5 auto bid”. It happens in 2-3 of the other P5 conferences. You then likely have 6 of your entrants and then the remaining conference champ goes in along with an independent like ND that goes undefeated. Those teams bitching about getting left out of a 4 team are still left out.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:52 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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Should Ohio State have been in over Michigan State in '15? Sure Michigan State beat Ohio State and won the B1G, but if we're being honest, that Ohio State team was better.
This is a ridiculous argument. Who the hell did Oregon beat head to head that could have made the playoff? Best teams. Period. Winning a shite conference with a shite record shouldn't entitle you to a damn thing. There were a dozen teams in the SEC, B1G, and ACC that were better than Oregon.
Losing to the two worst teams in the PAC is the "result" that "has to matter".
The hypocrisy that gets spouted regarding noncompetitive games ruining football, while simultaneously demanding that shitty teams have a path to the playoffs is silly, honestly.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/15/21 at 3:58 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Should be the best 8 with a conference ring caring major weight but not automatic. Perhaps the Big 5 get a spot and 3 more at large teams. I like Bama's chance with that scheme.
No auto-bids needed. CFP should be the Top 8 teams ranked by the committee. Winning a CCG vs a ranked team boosts the champ's resumé and is one of the tie-breakers the committee uses in ranking teams with pretty equal resumés. A conference could have 4 teams ranked in the top 8. For example: #1 UA (13-0), #5 UGA (12-1), #7 ATM (11-1), #8 UF (11-1).
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:05 pm to Bham Bammer
If you think player opt-outs are bad now, wait til the coaches get into the act with expanded playoffs. About the only thing expanded playoffs will do is destroy the final week of the regular season rivalry games. Let's say there's an 8- or 16-team field this season. With Bama #1 with no chance of falling out of the top 8 do you think Nick would risk Mac, DS6, Najee and Waddle in the Iron Bowl? "But, SoFla, he'd still have to win the SECCG!" Okay, fair enough. He sits them for a conference title game. What's more, vocal segments of the fanbases of schools would be demanding their schools tank rivalry or CCGs.
Why people want to emulate the sterile, corporate NFL in the one sport where the regular season still matters is beyond me. But, by all means, let's let our rivalry games attain the charm and majesty of an NFL Week 17 snoozefest.
Why people want to emulate the sterile, corporate NFL in the one sport where the regular season still matters is beyond me. But, by all means, let's let our rivalry games attain the charm and majesty of an NFL Week 17 snoozefest.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:13 pm to RiverCityTider
We are already on the verge of making the regular season irrelevant. What will be great is when the wheel turns and we see 8-4 teams in the playoff because the stars aligned and they won one game at the right time.
Off course they could ride the socialist wave in this country and divide the “good” players up so one team don’t get them all.
The next iteration of a fair and equitable playoff system will be shite. If you want better ratings, get the game off cable and back on network television where it belongs.
Off course they could ride the socialist wave in this country and divide the “good” players up so one team don’t get them all.
The next iteration of a fair and equitable playoff system will be shite. If you want better ratings, get the game off cable and back on network television where it belongs.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:13 pm to TidalSurge1
Ahhh come on guys. Players are opting out of major bowls
No player will ever opt out of the playoffs.
And conference play will become extremely meaningful if it means you ticket gets punched.
SEC
ACC
BIG 12
BIG 10
PAC 10
FIVE SPOTS
3 TO PLAY WITH.
Works fine. Entire country is excited. Smaller schools have a shot. An additional quality home game.
What's not to like?
No player will ever opt out of the playoffs.
And conference play will become extremely meaningful if it means you ticket gets punched.
SEC
ACC
BIG 12
BIG 10
PAC 10
FIVE SPOTS
3 TO PLAY WITH.
Works fine. Entire country is excited. Smaller schools have a shot. An additional quality home game.
What's not to like?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 4:47 pm to Evolved Simian
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This is a ridiculous argument. Who the hell did Oregon beat head to head that could have made the playoff? Best teams. Period. Winning a shite conference with a shite record shouldn't entitle you to a damn thing
You say best teams then make an argument entirely based on Oregon’s resume. If you want to say a conference champion with a mediocre resume shouldn’t make it, that’s fine.
Saying oh I think this team is good so they should get in is ridiculous. “Best teams” is completely subjective and shouldn’t be a part of any criteria for deciding the playoffs.
It’s just an excuse to justify whatever ranking. I mean no one thought ‘19 Oklahoma was the 4th best team. The LSU staff said they weren’t even the 4th best team on LSU’s schedule.
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 1/15/21 at 5:05 pm to RiverCityTider
Meh.
CFB is fine. Problem is there are 4 dynasties (or semi-dynasties) going on at the same time for various reasons.
Alabama is a machine because it has the GOAT coach of all time and it’s a beast of a program all time. We get even a good coach and we’re competing for SEC titles. I’d say Alabama built Nick Saban as much as Nick Saban built Alabama.
Oklahoma is running unopposed in the Big 12 because Colorado collapsed and fled, Nebraska collapsed and fled and Texas still hasn’t recovered from Colt McCoy’s injury.
Clemson has been a machine, but it also runs unopposed because VT fell off a cliff, FSU is a disaster, Miami is still lost and the rest of the ACC has almost always sucked. For all intents and purposes, Clemson just replaced FSU in a 1:1 swap.
Ohio State is virtually unopposed because Michigan can’t get its feces colocated, Penn State is usually a notch behind them, Michigan St will always be little brother, Wisconsin plays old man football and the rest of the conference has generally been dookie.
The P12 has stopped caring about football. Hell, they barely cared when Carroll was there at USC. Oregon’s glory days are past them, especially now with all the far-left stuff up there. That program won’t get near as much support as it did 5-10 years ago.
I mean, if just FSU,Texas and Michigan were solid programs, then we’d see a lot more variety in the CFP.
CFB is fine. Problem is there are 4 dynasties (or semi-dynasties) going on at the same time for various reasons.
Alabama is a machine because it has the GOAT coach of all time and it’s a beast of a program all time. We get even a good coach and we’re competing for SEC titles. I’d say Alabama built Nick Saban as much as Nick Saban built Alabama.
Oklahoma is running unopposed in the Big 12 because Colorado collapsed and fled, Nebraska collapsed and fled and Texas still hasn’t recovered from Colt McCoy’s injury.
Clemson has been a machine, but it also runs unopposed because VT fell off a cliff, FSU is a disaster, Miami is still lost and the rest of the ACC has almost always sucked. For all intents and purposes, Clemson just replaced FSU in a 1:1 swap.
Ohio State is virtually unopposed because Michigan can’t get its feces colocated, Penn State is usually a notch behind them, Michigan St will always be little brother, Wisconsin plays old man football and the rest of the conference has generally been dookie.
The P12 has stopped caring about football. Hell, they barely cared when Carroll was there at USC. Oregon’s glory days are past them, especially now with all the far-left stuff up there. That program won’t get near as much support as it did 5-10 years ago.
I mean, if just FSU,Texas and Michigan were solid programs, then we’d see a lot more variety in the CFP.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 6:00 pm to RiverCityTider
Y'all saw Devonta go out, right? And Waddle? And Mac hobbling around?
And that was only 13 games.
But sure, sure. Let's make it a 16 game season. What could go wrong?
And that was only 13 games.
But sure, sure. Let's make it a 16 game season. What could go wrong?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 8:45 pm to RiverCityTider
That's a big negative. Just using osu as example. You saw what happened in the game? They lose their starting rb on the first play. Add more games in and teams would have their 3rd string playing.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 12:27 pm to narddogg81
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it should go back to the BCS. adding to playoff just adds more games, more chances to get hurt
We are usually the deepest team in the country and by the time we finish the championship game, we are pretty banged up. Can’t imagine adding an extra game. It would just become the champion is the team who is healthiest.
During the BCS, nobody ever complained about the 5th team deserving a shot at a title. Now it’s an annual conversation. We’ll absolutely see bitching from the 9th ranked team if we expand. The media won’t be able to help themselves.
I think having the game on a Monday night needs to end. By the time Monday comes around, people are kind of footballed out after the NFL wild card games. Maybe move it to Thursday and at least have a conversation about having the playoff games on NYD every year and limiting the number of bowl games so going to a bowl becomes a reward again. Now even the NY6 games feel like the NIT. I also think having the entire sport consolidate around ESPN isn’t a good thing in the long run despite the money.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:16 pm to labamafan
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As long as everyone understands that this would mean losing at least 1 game a year. Likely a non conference hime game.
This. You have to shorten the season. The entire rest of the field not in the playoffs will lose one game on their schedule.
These kids are limping across the finish line as it is today. It's probably already too long.
Posted on 1/16/21 at 4:30 pm to labamafan
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As long as everyone understands that this would mean losing at least 1 game a year. Likely a non conference hime game.
Nah. There's no need to eliminate a game for 130 teams to compensate for expanding the CFP to 8 teams. Since #5 - #8 would've played in a non-playoff bowl, expanding to 8 results in only the #1 - #4 teams playing one more game. This post was edited on 1/16/21 at 6:18 pm
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