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re: That was the type of loss that changes a program 1 way or another
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:21 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:21 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
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thanks to the pathetic schedule.
Didn't seem to affect Clemson much
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Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:23 pm to SummerOfGeorge
So are you saying Saban has lost it or can’t coach that talent based off one game?? Or just leadership by players?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:24 pm to greyhulk
That was the worst part. losing is one thing, but losing without any care and just letting it happen is a very bad sign.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:29 pm to Capstone2017
Did you see Damien Harris afterwards crying?? I think they cared. Things get away from you sometimes . Every break/ mistake was at the worst possible time
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:30 pm to Bear88
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So are you saying Saban has lost it or can’t coach that talent based off one game?? Or just leadership by players?
I'm saying that this game was a punch to the jaw of a program that hasn't been punched like that in a decade, and there is legitimately handwringing about our young staff and about alpha dogs on the roster.
This offseason will show if those question marks spend 7 months with fire in their belly from what happened last night or whether they look around wondering what happened or ignoring small fires.
And who knows. The tools are all there. Talent everywhere, talented young coaches, the GOAT HC and program sustainer. But last night has never happened before, not even close, and sometimes those things can shatter previously well put together systems. Sports are filled with examples of watershed moments like that.
I think we'll come out with 7 months of intensity, but I'm not sure who leads that. Cant wait to find out though.
This offseason will be about figuring out who despises losing like the 2008 and 2009 guys did. We need some alphas who have hate in their heart again.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Oh it was a definite punch to the jaw. But IMO opinion it is not something to kick puppies about. Sure it hurt but like you said , it has happened ONCE in a decade. NOBODY can say that. We will be fine. I think Tua will become a leader . Remember this is his first year to play. Defensively, I agree someone needs to step up big time. It may be a couple years on that bc I only see DBS that show any moxie. It may have to come from this group of signees. Might be another year of outscoring people but I trust Saban to figure it out
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:46 pm to Bear88
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But IMO opinion it is not something to kick puppies about.
I mean it was embarrassing, but at some point we were going to play poorly and have things snowball against a great team. It's incredible it took a decade for it to happen.
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I think Tua will become a leader . Remember this is his first year to play. Defensively, I agree someone needs to step up big time. It may be a couple years on that bc I only see DBS that show any moxie. It may have to come from this group of signees. Might be another year of outscoring people but I trust Saban to figure it out
Yea, like I said, I look forward to seeing who steps up. Games like last night dont allow a program like ours to stay status quo. That group internally is going to be challenged and challenged and challenged for the next few months. Some guys will step up.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:50 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'm saying that this game was a punch to the jaw of a program that hasn't been punched like that in a decade
I don't even know if you can say that it's been just a decade. It's been a long time since we've been punched like that. Even in the probation era we still showed signs of fight at the end of a blowout.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:52 pm to FairhopeTider
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I don't even know if you can say that it's been just a decade. It's been a long time since we've been punched like that. Even in the probation era we still showed signs of fight at the end of a blowout.
The last time we got whipped like that was 2003 vs UGA, LSU and Ole Miss, and the like you said we fought back against UGA and Ole Miss to get to a semi respectable final score.
We can explain why it snowballed, but we haven't had it snowball on us like that in 15 years. That's pretty monumental.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:56 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The last time we got whipped like that was 2003 vs UGA, LSU and Ole Miss, and the like you said we fought back against UGA and Ole Miss to get to a semi respectable final score.
Hell, as pathetic as it sounds in that 2003 LSU game we had enough pride at the end to kick a FG.
But to your point, that game was the first time bad things just snowballed against us. In the past, we've weathered the storm. The SECG came close to that and it should've been a sign of things to come.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:58 pm to FairhopeTider
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But to your point, that game was the first time bad things just snowballed against us. In the past, we've weathered the storm. The SECG came close to that and it should've been a sign of things to come.
Remember when we used to just come out and obliterate people? The last 2 years we've now had 3 huge games where we trailed by 2 possessions at halftime. We came back and won 2, but that's a difference from past years.
And maybe it's unfair to even see that as a weakness, but it's a difference.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 4:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I agree. IMO Saban needs to determine what kind of identity this team is going to have and that will start with the OC selection and the OL coach. If it’s Enos I think we go back to a more brutal offense like we used to run. You can do that with the QB we have now.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:17 pm to labamafan
I think he realizes that you have to score more with today’s game than it used to be. It’s hard to get a defense equipped to constantly shut people down. Now play calling I can see bc last night was terrible on so many levels. The fake fg and Tua keeper was dumb as hell. However we had several 2and 1yd and 3rd and 1 and running cute shite when they weren’t stopping the run. F the wildcat shite too
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:17 pm to labamafan
Make no mistake, we will find out about next year's team when we travel to A&M.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:53 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Usually Bama stays in the games a lot better, this one snowballed and is certainly a gut-check game. But I think it's just going to be a reality check similar to after the 2010 season and the 2014 season to a lesser extent. Bama / Saban needs to try and figure out how to get some continuity at coordinator but outside of that, finding some leaders to get that mean streak back - I don't think there needs to be some drastic reaction.
Saban has already shifted and reacted to the changing landscape a couple times by going towards more spread concepts / tempo / rpo stuff and then changing up the defense to help combat other teams using tempo. He will come back and adjust and continue to recruit. It's just unusual seeing another team operating at the same level of consistency.
Saban has already shifted and reacted to the changing landscape a couple times by going towards more spread concepts / tempo / rpo stuff and then changing up the defense to help combat other teams using tempo. He will come back and adjust and continue to recruit. It's just unusual seeing another team operating at the same level of consistency.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 5:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I agree but it all depends on a group of players deciding to be leaders starting now. Not sure who they are though.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:03 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Remember when we used to just come out and obliterate people?
Yeah, it was only a couple months ago. We beat everyone on our schedule by at least 22 points. If that's not good enough for you, I don't know what to say. We were lucky as hell to beat UGA though, every break went our way. We fumbled several times and recovered them all. Super lucky to win that game.
Now that teams have film on Tua, great defenses are exposing his weaknesses. Also, he may not have been fully healthy all year.
Kirby was not expecting Tua to play last year or Jalen to play this year and that was the slight difference in those games. The offense lost this game more than the D did. But now that Jalen isn't the starter people don't want to blame Tua for his poor play. He holds on to the ball too long, always looks for the big play, forces almost every throw that isn't a deep ball, and he doesn't protect his blindside enough.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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But last night has never happened before, not even close, and sometimes those things can shatter previously well put together systems. Sports are filled with examples of watershed moments like that.
Two similar yet different situations that come to mind is texas post colt mccoy and florida after the 2009 sec championship.
Especially florida. They were a better and much more talented team going into atlanta that year but what does alabama do? Well alabama does what clemson did last night, which was play it's game, nothing special and execute it extremely well. What does florida do? Well florida did what alabama did last night, which was collapse under the weight of being Alabama.
No i don't think alabama will now suffer florida's post tebow/meyer fate because nick saban doesn't lose his shite over a loss and we're bringing back a lethal offense but the 09 florida comparison does speak to your point and the nature of this loss does make alabama a mystery again, which is exciting.
The last time alabama was a genuine mystery was the 2013 lane kiffin season.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:46 pm to Hoyt
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I feel as though “pass first” teams become soft across the board.
Agree 100%. I miss the physicality of the 2011/2012 teams.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 7:49 pm to Gene Ween
Can the greatest ever prove it again? Does Saban have another reinvention in him?
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