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re: Texas reportedly offering transfer "“first-round draft pick-level NIL money".
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:40 pm to Hater Bait
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:40 pm to Hater Bait
Yes what about that online deal at Texas ... 50k a lineman?
Why would a lineman pass that up and come to Bama for nothing?
Are any of our linemen getting any nil money?
Why would a lineman pass that up and come to Bama for nothing?
Are any of our linemen getting any nil money?
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Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:48 pm to BLG
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Actually enforcing entrance requirements and ceasing athletic scholorships would be 2 quick and easy routes to that
Yep. Current scholarship limits become roster limits instead and players must follow all normal university acceptance and admissions requirements.
Real scholar athletes.
Lots of kids will lose out on an education but so be it. Won’t be the first time people killed the goose that laid the golden egg.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 2:57 pm to RiverCityTider
You can rest assured that the Alabama boosters are planning now. Hell, UA boosters have been accused of paying for decades. Let's pretend it's so. You think they're going to stop now, when it's basically legal. To hear the ncaa tell it, Alabama paid $200,000, or whatever it ws supposed to be, for an out of shape lineman that never played, 22 years ago.
Besides the fatcat boosters, run of the mill fans can participate in this. Lots of people have a few hundred dollars they could chip in. Taking the idea of UT, a non profit organization could be established, and the wealthy boosters and middle class fans alike could contribute, each to his own, whatever you can afford. The players could "represent" causes for which that non profit works.
It's a Brave New College Football World. All this will be worked out in due time, even if the end game is NFL minor league.
It's actually kind of interesting to watch. If the current University of Alabama dynasty is the last one before this whole thing goes to hell, I'm cool with that.
Besides the fatcat boosters, run of the mill fans can participate in this. Lots of people have a few hundred dollars they could chip in. Taking the idea of UT, a non profit organization could be established, and the wealthy boosters and middle class fans alike could contribute, each to his own, whatever you can afford. The players could "represent" causes for which that non profit works.
It's a Brave New College Football World. All this will be worked out in due time, even if the end game is NFL minor league.
It's actually kind of interesting to watch. If the current University of Alabama dynasty is the last one before this whole thing goes to hell, I'm cool with that.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:00 pm to BLG
Saban has always been ahead of the curve on things so I assume the University/ boosters have a plan . Really hope so anyway
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:08 pm to BLG
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You realize, of course, that the institutions can not do this. It's the supporters that find the loopholes that can do it. This wide open b.s. will be reeled in somehow in due time. Unfortunately, the end game may be NFL farm league. I wouldn't be surprised if, eventually, the Universities decided to de-emphsize sports. Actually enforcing entrance requirements and ceasing athletic scholorships would be 2 quick and easy routes to that. Austin, in particular, is full of far left socialists. Hell, they don't even like football.
For the same reason the NFL coordinated to put salary caps etc. on teams, they will have to put some guardrails around NIL for this sort of thing....or football and men's basketball are just going to turn into semi-pro teams with no real relevance to the academic institutions.
I think you are going to see some real blowback from the academic side of institutions who will make the same determination the Ivies did back in 70's and that is they aren't interested in playing this game. I can assure you there are elements in Austin who are not happy about this development. It will be difficult for colleges to wean themselves away from the money, but don't think this is sustainable....although it was entirely predictable which is what people warned against when NIL was allowed.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:19 pm to 14&Counting
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it was entirely predictable which is what people warned against when NIL was allowed.
yes, it was, but the courts were bound to rule in favor of the athletes in due time. Honestly, I'm surprised it wasn't long before.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:20 pm to Teague
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Of course the schools won't be involved. It'll all be perfectly legal and on the up and up with local businesses contacting recruits and saying, hey IF you go to schoolX, we'd like to pay you.
Of course that will happen.
Yes.
Of course everything will be done "legally" to get someone to transfer or sign out of high school, but there will most definitely be "verbal" agreements to compensate that will be clear to the signee before he signs to go to a school.
0 doubt in my mind, that's how it'll be handled.
Look, if schools/ boosters are willing to pay 10- 12 million a year for a coach, what's a few million for a player to come play?
It would almost be worth it for the coach to offer up part if his own salary to get a top notch player...
Where would Dabo be today if Deshaun and Trevor had gone somewhere else??
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:59 pm to East Coast Band
The big misconception is that businesses are going to get burned when these deals turn out not to pay off and the market will correct itself. For the Dr. Peppers of the world, that's probably correct. Since there wasn't a current market in place, no one knew the true value in terms of ROI. And on that front, I agree. The market will self correct.
However, and this is a big however, this doesn't account for boosters paying players not for an ROI, but for the same reasons boosters gave out McDonald's bags of cash. They want to win and if that means giving a guy $100,000 a year, they will do that. Now it's just legal.
If I'm a head coach, I recognize this as a runaway train and there needs to be someone coordinating all of this if a school wants to stay ahead. One booster gets jersey numbers 1-4. One gets 5-9. One person gets number 10 (they may be a smaller booster). And everyone commits to an NIL deal of $50k per kid. Then get someone to handle the WRs. Someone to handle the QB room. Then the DBs have a booster. Everyone should be making between $75-$100k automatically. Then let the guys go out and do their own deal with actual companies in top of that.
Get a coordinator to set up 100 LLCs to pull in money from season ticket holders, alums, sidewalk fans on a crowd sourcing level. Everyone send $20 a year to this 501(c)(3) and we will disburse it evenly amongst the two deep.
However, and this is a big however, this doesn't account for boosters paying players not for an ROI, but for the same reasons boosters gave out McDonald's bags of cash. They want to win and if that means giving a guy $100,000 a year, they will do that. Now it's just legal.
If I'm a head coach, I recognize this as a runaway train and there needs to be someone coordinating all of this if a school wants to stay ahead. One booster gets jersey numbers 1-4. One gets 5-9. One person gets number 10 (they may be a smaller booster). And everyone commits to an NIL deal of $50k per kid. Then get someone to handle the WRs. Someone to handle the QB room. Then the DBs have a booster. Everyone should be making between $75-$100k automatically. Then let the guys go out and do their own deal with actual companies in top of that.
Get a coordinator to set up 100 LLCs to pull in money from season ticket holders, alums, sidewalk fans on a crowd sourcing level. Everyone send $20 a year to this 501(c)(3) and we will disburse it evenly amongst the two deep.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:59 pm to East Coast Band
The big misconception is that businesses are going to get burned when these deals turn out not to pay off and the market will correct itself. For the Dr. Peppers of the world, that's probably correct. Since there wasn't a current market in place, no one knew the true value in terms of ROI. And on that front, I agree. The market will self correct.
However, and this is a big however, this doesn't account for boosters paying players not for an ROI, but for the same reasons boosters gave out McDonald's bags of cash. They want to win and if that means giving a guy $100,000 a year, they will do that. Now it's just legal.
If I'm a head coach, I recognize this as a runaway train and there needs to be someone coordinating all of this if a school wants to stay ahead. One booster gets jersey numbers 1-4. One gets 5-9. One person gets number 10 (they may be a smaller booster). And everyone commits to an NIL deal of $50k per kid. Then get someone to handle the WRs. Someone to handle the QB room. Then the DBs have a booster. Everyone should be making between $75-$100k automatically. Then let the guys go out and do their own deal with actual companies in top of that.
Get a coordinator to set up 100 LLCs to pull in money from season ticket holders, alums, sidewalk fans on a crowd sourcing level. Everyone send $20 a year to this 501(c)(3) and we will disburse it evenly amongst the two deep.
However, and this is a big however, this doesn't account for boosters paying players not for an ROI, but for the same reasons boosters gave out McDonald's bags of cash. They want to win and if that means giving a guy $100,000 a year, they will do that. Now it's just legal.
If I'm a head coach, I recognize this as a runaway train and there needs to be someone coordinating all of this if a school wants to stay ahead. One booster gets jersey numbers 1-4. One gets 5-9. One person gets number 10 (they may be a smaller booster). And everyone commits to an NIL deal of $50k per kid. Then get someone to handle the WRs. Someone to handle the QB room. Then the DBs have a booster. Everyone should be making between $75-$100k automatically. Then let the guys go out and do their own deal with actual companies in top of that.
Get a coordinator to set up 100 LLCs to pull in money from season ticket holders, alums, sidewalk fans on a crowd sourcing level. Everyone send $20 a year to this 501(c)(3) and we will disburse it evenly amongst the two deep.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 4:27 pm to remaster916
I think this is true to a point but you also have to continue to factor in which schools are going to get kids drafted in the early rounds of the NFL draft. Say you're a 5 star o-line recruit. Sure you can go to Texas and make 150k in college and get drafted in the 5th round or you can come to Bama, still make some NIL money if not quite as much, and then sign a 1st round contract. We'll see how short-sighted some of these kids end up being.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:20 pm to RollTide33
Offer 150,000 to a kid and family that's never had anything, if course they will take it immediately.
That's life changing money for 80% of people.
That's life changing money for 80% of people.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:44 pm to Robot Santa
quote:Anybody that thought that NIL wouldn't destroy collegiate amateur athletics is immensely naive and short sighted.
If Texas boosters waste $20 million in bogus endorsement deals they won't give a shite if the next $1 million gets them a guy like Bryce. The other $20 million is just the cost of doing business. This is the inherent flaw in the NIL arrangement. It assumes that all these deals are legitimate commercial contracts when they simply aren't. Boosters are just going to go crazy with it. Boosters have always paid kids who didn't pan out. Now it's just all being done out in the open.
I'm just enjoying college athletics for the short time it has left as an amateur event.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:54 pm to RiverCityTider
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:54 pm to RiverCityTider
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Yes what about that online deal at Texas ... 50k a lineman?
Why would a lineman pass that up and come to Bama for nothing?
Are any of our linemen getting any nil money?
Since when have we not taken car of players?
Any top lineman coming to Alabama will make good money just the same.
Heck over two decades ago Albert Means was getting three times that at a truck
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:27 pm to YStar
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Heck over two decades ago Albert Means was getting three times that
Unless several people committed perjury in federal court, Means didn't get anything at all.
His high school coach is the one that got the money. Lynn Lang was auctioning him off to the highest bidder.
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:58 pm to RiverCityTider
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Yes what about that online deal at Texas ... 50k a lineman?
Why would a lineman pass that up and come to Bama for nothing?
Are any of our linemen getting any nil money?
LINK ]New Texas Booster Fund Highlights Major Flaws in NIL System
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... The issue is that Horns with Heart is a booster organization designed to fund an important position group and win recruits while masquerading as a name, image and likeness deal.
It will be the first of many or at least until schools decide it is their responsibility to shut them down.
Here’s what we know:
1. This is not a name, image and likeness deal...
2. The organization admits the compensation they are offering is more than 50 times the largest deal for the position...
3. They’re not picking specific offensive linemen, which is counter to what NIL means...
4. The construct seemingly violates Texas state law...
It’s why on Wednesday, at an industry conference in Las Vegas, NCAA president Mark Emmert volunteered that the NCAA is currently investigating several schools for NIL violations...
This post was edited on 12/8/21 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:04 pm to secuniversity
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You can't use NIL to recruit
It is already weaponized for that purpose.
That said, history shows that unit discipline,cohesion, purpose,, and esprit de corps can overcome most disadvantages vs a conscripted force or group of hired mercenaries who may enjoy superior weaponry.
Egos and too much money, too young with loose transfer rules will be the challenge to manage going forward. Coaches are about to really earn some money
Posted on 12/8/21 at 9:44 pm to Che Boludo
This and the transfer portal are going to ruin the game.
A byproduct of mega tv contracts and ridiculous coaching salaries...in this era of "equity" they couldn't say the players couldn't get "theirs."
A byproduct of mega tv contracts and ridiculous coaching salaries...in this era of "equity" they couldn't say the players couldn't get "theirs."
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:09 am to coachcrisp
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Anybody that thought that NIL wouldn't destroy collegiate amateur athletics is immensely naive and short sighted.
So many people (mainly college football media clowns) virtue signaled about how unfair it was for the players while dismissing any thought of what the unintended consequences could be. On paper, sure it sounds nice to let an athlete make a few bucks here and there. Just like it sounds nice to let players transfer wherever they want or we should have a massive playoff.
However logical people knew it would lead to an opening of Pandora’s Box.
This post was edited on 12/9/21 at 7:11 am
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:23 am to Carlton
Nah. UT is the second richest school in the nation behind Harvard. They can pay what they want.
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