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Saban to speak with Mercedes Assembly Plant employees
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:44 pm
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Former Alabama coach Nick Saban is addressing workers at Mercedes-Benz’s Vance plant on Thursday, according to reports.
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I'm sure it will be somewhat motivational, but I'm also certain it will have underlying tones of anti- union, since the employees there are pushing for UAW representation.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 1:56 pm to East Coast Band
I’m sure it is a typical union disinformation campaign but using a keynote from Saban as a draw.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:24 pm to East Coast Band
Union is a cartel of labor, and forced membership is even worse. If an employer allows it then fine.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:26 pm to East Coast Band
Saban is pro union, so
Posted on 2/29/24 at 7:31 pm to East Coast Band
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anti- union
I highly, highly doubt Saban will say anything remotely close to "anti-union"
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:23 pm to RollTide4Ever
I see the Trumpistas downvoted. Sorry but freedom of association and private property is what made this country great.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:38 pm to RollTide4Ever
You really can’t force workers to become members anymore. Now at one time that was practice, it was called strong-arming and it could get pretty violent in some places such as the mines, steel workers, teamsters etc. that mostly happened in the private sector and not the public.
Unions at one time was needed to right the wrongs that made life a living hell for employees that worked at foundries, shipyards, steel mills etc. Companies would work the dog shite out of employees, conditions on these jobs was brutal. There was no safety at all. Lots of ppl died in these conditions because the company didn’t give a rats arse, they would just bring in another poor bastard and work his arse to death for a very low wage.
Unions was basically formed to give collective bargaining to the employees for way better safety conditions, fair wage and a 8hr work day instead of a 16hr work day. But in the end corrupt union leaders and corrupt politicians fricked it all up and basically stab the members in the back. Unions at one time wasn’t all bad, they paved the way for what most ppl have now. Benefits such as retirement, vacations, sick leave, overtime and most importantly job safety. But like I said… they fricked it all up in the end.
Unions at one time was needed to right the wrongs that made life a living hell for employees that worked at foundries, shipyards, steel mills etc. Companies would work the dog shite out of employees, conditions on these jobs was brutal. There was no safety at all. Lots of ppl died in these conditions because the company didn’t give a rats arse, they would just bring in another poor bastard and work his arse to death for a very low wage.
Unions was basically formed to give collective bargaining to the employees for way better safety conditions, fair wage and a 8hr work day instead of a 16hr work day. But in the end corrupt union leaders and corrupt politicians fricked it all up and basically stab the members in the back. Unions at one time wasn’t all bad, they paved the way for what most ppl have now. Benefits such as retirement, vacations, sick leave, overtime and most importantly job safety. But like I said… they fricked it all up in the end.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:55 pm to hwyman108
I think the problems with unions in this countries ultimately start as problems with the ownership/elite class in this country.
The militancy of early labor movements was predicated on the willingness of the ownership to deploy their own private armies and even use their connections with the state itself to deploy police and national guards on labor movements. The relationship between ownership and organized labor has always been on the wrong foot.
In many European nations, the union is more of a partner with ownership and some nations even have setups where the union has actual stake in the company. I'd like to see the US get somewhere like that...this antagonistic model is not good for all parties involved.
The militancy of early labor movements was predicated on the willingness of the ownership to deploy their own private armies and even use their connections with the state itself to deploy police and national guards on labor movements. The relationship between ownership and organized labor has always been on the wrong foot.
In many European nations, the union is more of a partner with ownership and some nations even have setups where the union has actual stake in the company. I'd like to see the US get somewhere like that...this antagonistic model is not good for all parties involved.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:04 pm to Diego Ricardo
Pullman industry that made the railcars in Pullman Pennsylvania was one of the first to use local police and even got the president at the time to bring in the Army. Lots of ppl died during that uprising. This was back in 1900’s or teens, I forget.
But yes. At one time some companies encouraged employees to join. The Janus act changed the game in the public sector. The unions lost hundreds of millions after that. It’s crippled them on dues
But yes. At one time some companies encouraged employees to join. The Janus act changed the game in the public sector. The unions lost hundreds of millions after that. It’s crippled them on dues
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:37 pm to hwyman108
Some would argue alot of the positives were happening before unions became a force, which was when FDR became president.
Pullman was an idiot but it was a classic case of govt creating problems on top of problems. That strike happened in 1893 due to the govt fumbling how it handled currency and banking. Grover Cleveland fixed it but it cost the democrats the white house for two decades. That marked the end of libertarian Democrats.
Pullman was an idiot but it was a classic case of govt creating problems on top of problems. That strike happened in 1893 due to the govt fumbling how it handled currency and banking. Grover Cleveland fixed it but it cost the democrats the white house for two decades. That marked the end of libertarian Democrats.
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:47 pm to RollTide4Ever
Yep…. They lowered wages but didn’t lower rent on the houses they lived in which was owned by Pullman. It was a mess and a damn shame.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 12:01 am to Diego Ricardo
This post was edited on 3/2/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:59 am to East Coast Band
There was no mention of a union, just how to be a good leader. Same speech he gave every time he was here. Have the mindset to be the best at whatever you are doing.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 8:35 am to hwyman108
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Pullman industry that made the railcars in Pullman Pennsylvania was one of the first to use local police and even got the president at the time to bring in the Army.
The Homestead Strike came before the Pullman strike. The Homestead strike happened in 1892 as the AA (Amalgamated Association of Iron and Steel Workers) were trying to unionize the plant. The AA was able to unionize steel plants starting in the mid-late 1870's, mainly the Bessemer Steel Works in 1881. A lot of the strikes and included violence
There's way too much detail and background to go into here, but generally, the Homestead strike became violent between the workers and Carnegie Steel's private security, the Pinkertons, ultimately opened fire on the workers. The workers ended up winning the altercation and ultimately the Governor of Pennsylvania called in the national guard to quell the violence.
This all happened while Andrew Carnegie was out of the country, in Scotland, for an extended period. Henry Clay Frick was running Carnegie Steel at the time. Henry CLay Frick wasn't know to be a particularly good person, evidenced by this and the Johnstown Flood. Look into the background of the Johnstown FLood, it's really hard to have a positive view of HCF after looking into that. His wife spent years trying to soften how people viewed the family doing things like donating a huge park to the city, which is still a really beautiful place. His home The Clayton House is still standing in Pittsburgh and is a must see if you're ever in town.
Sorry for the long-winded post. Growing up in Pittsburgh, this is a huge portion of what you learn in history classes that cover local history.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 8:46 am to RolltidePA
Yeah I couldn’t remember the exact time right off the top of my head. It’s been a long time when I studied about that. Thxs for the correction
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:01 am to hwyman108
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Yeah I couldn’t remember the exact time right off the top of my head. It’s been a long time when I studied about that. Thxs for the correction
Random piece of info; the site of the clash between the workers and the Pinkertons is now an outdoor shopping mall complex called The Waterfront. The smoke stacks from the steel plant are still there. So much for history I suppose
Posted on 3/1/24 at 9:14 am to RolltidePA
My granddad told me for a while he had to sleep with a shotgun under his pillow because the union at the textile mill he was foreman of threatened to murder him for not supporting the union.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 11:24 am to UhOhOreo
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Saban is pro union, so
You're a fricking idiot!
The man owns multiple Mercedes dealerships, and a couple of his partners in his newest acquisitions are retired Mercedes international officers!
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:26 pm to Night Vision
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D's love votes they receive from pretending they love unions.
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