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re: Saban Needs To Call It

Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:43 am to
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:43 am to
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so just expect more INTs.

This myth has been debunked.
Tua: 4 TDs
Jalen: 3 INTs
Posted by AllBamaDoesIsWin
Member since Dec 2011
26725 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:46 am to
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This myth has been debunked.
Tua: 4 TDs
Jalen: 3 INTs


I'm not talking about the "Tua is a turnover machine" stuff, I just mean he's a guy with no starting experience who is more likely to take chances with the football than Jalen, so expect him to throw more picks than Jalen did. Considering Jalen only threw one, that was almost a given anyway. I'm not saying he'll throw a lot, just a few. I said it because people are gonna try to use that to discredit him when he'd only be throwing more because, again, he'd be opening the offense up and taking more chances than Jalen.

Of course I'd love it if he had an AJ 2012 type season where he was still taking chances (though he'd probably take even more than AJ if I had to guess) but still only threw minimal INTs.
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:57 am to
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I have a hard time taking a post that says is that over the top positive seriously

I have a hard time taking over the top hand wringing posts about the QB competition and what Saban should or shouldn't do seriously.

ETA: Yeah, the guy was obviously excited about the positive things he saw and didn't say much about negatives things he might've seen.

There are a few things I have concerns about, such as lack of experienced depth and potential injuries at ILB and DB, along with new OC & DC play calling chops.

But the QB competition does not concern me. I feel comfortable that Tua will do fine as the #1 QB and that Jalen & Mac will do well as backups and in closing out games.

Overall, I'm really enjoying the ride, A LOT!

This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 10:59 am to
On the plus side, if our defense is making Hurts and Mac look bad, and are only thwarted by Tua's perfect throws, that's a pretty good sign
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 11:26 am to
1) It was the first scrimmage and Jalen was the starter until the last half of the last real game and for most of the spring. Yeah, I can see why he's still getting reps.

2) Mac Jones will never start a game at Alabama unless we are in "oh shite!" mode. He's a decent QB who's an insurance policy if the shite hits the fan in Tuscaloosa. Tua for 2 more years who will hand the reigns to Taulia or Tyson or some stud not even on the roster. Jones will either be a career backup at Bama or will transfer after this season when he sees the writing on the wall. We COULD win a lot of games with him, but we won't have to.

3) If this formula continues deep into fall camp, then Saban is going to let Jalen split time with Tua in the Louisville game so get ready for it. That might not the best decision for the here and now, but for the overall state of the program, it might be, just to keep the peace. It is what it is.

4) Jalen could carry us just as far as he has the past 2 seasons again, real easy. But as has been pointed out ad nauseum, it's the top 2 or 3 opponents that worry you. He's not gonna get you to 15-0, not without a lot of luck and close calls and everything bouncing our way. But that's a huge luxury to have in modern college football: 2 QB's that are good enough to win 85% of your games. Saban is rightly going to greedily clutch that luxury for as long as he can.

5) If nothing else, Jalen has earned the right to compete evenly for the job he has done so well for the past 2 years and put us in position to play for 2 natty's. He's been nothing but class and a great representative for the school that we all love. So he slipped up a little and showed he really is human and a 20 year old kid last week. Welcome to the human race. I can easily forget that and you should too as long as it was a one time aberration. So I'm going to cut Saban some slack and let him coddle this guy just a little because he's earned it.

6) Hell, it's obvious to the blindest of the blind that Tua is carving up the best defense he will probably face all year in practice, so why exactly do we need to give him every rep? He's not exactly struggling. And our schedule, as usual, is back-loaded, so he should have everything down pat by the time we need him to be perfect. In all honesty, I don't think we need a perfect game from him until November.

7) It's going to be so much fun watching opponents decide whether they want to be bludgeoned to death by the 3 headed monster of Hurts, Harris and Harris, or surgically dismembered by Tua, Ruggs, Jeudy, and Smith.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 11:36 am to
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If this formula continues deep into fall camp, then Saban is going to let Jalen split time with Tua in the Louisville game so get ready for it. That might not the best decision for the here and now, but for the overall state of the program, it might be, just to keep the peace. It is what it is.



It could also create division.

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Jalen has earned the right to compete evenly for the job he has done so well for the past 2 years and put us in position to play for 2 natty's.


Jalen has had 2 years to prove he should be the starter and he hasn't gotten better. Tua is already better, and Tua has earned the right not to have to prove it over and over. It's debatable if Jalen put us in position to play for 2 titles or if we got there in spite of him, but it's a fact he failed both times to win a national title. Credit for 2017 has to go to Tua.

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It's going to be so much fun watching opponents decide whether they want to be bludgeoned to death by the 3 headed monster of Hurts, Harris and Harris, or surgically dismembered by Tua, Ruggs, Jeudy, and Smith.


IMO, it hasn't been much fun at all watching our offense the last 2 years, and when Jalen takes off yet again rather than staying in the pccket and completing passes, he's taking carries away from better running backs.

Posted by Swm323
Pace,FL
Member since Mar 2013
1360 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:06 pm to
Saban NEEDS to do what he thinks is best for the overall success of the football program. That is what he gets paid to do. He has all the information while fans have a very limited view of what is actually happening. The fact that some of our fans feel like they need to tell Saban how to run this ship is astonishing to me. I get that this is a message board and everyone has a right to discuss what they want but that means I have a right to feel that some fans can be entitled little bitches.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
2837 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:13 pm to
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I’m removing the “Insufferable Twat” title I bestowed upon prevatt a few weeks ago and giving it to you.


This hurts me deep...real deep. I'm gonna need a minute.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15384 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:16 pm to
Much as I hate to agree with prevatt about anything he’s right this time
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65076 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:23 pm to
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Mac Jones, being younger and less practice, would probably have more of an upside in that regard than Jalen Hurts




Do you not hear yourselves?! Look....I'm all for the best player playing and if Tua is that best player than so be it, but this irrational hatred of Jalen after everything he has done for us is un-freaking-believable.

Let's just throw aside a two-year starter and stomp on his face because he isn't as good as the fan favorite.
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6479 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:31 pm to
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RollTide1987


We weren't even talking about Tua. We were talking about Mac Jones and the fact he looked better than Hurts in the spring game. Your comment...

"That was back in April. This is the middle of August. Players tend to improve/regress from the end of spring training to the beginning of fall camp."

And my simple point is that if Jalen can get better, so can Mac Jones, and the fact he's younger, and with less experience, it's very possible that he may improve more than Jalen will.

I get it that sometimes in these threads posters lose track of the dialogue, but in this case the comments to which I was responding were your very own and neither of us even mentioned Tua.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20497 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 12:47 pm to
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Mac Jones, being younger and less practice, would probably have more of an upside in that regard than Jalen Hurt


Do you, Data, and CA study from the same handbook of stupid talking points? Mac Jones is average, and, barring transfer or serious injury, will not play for Bama any time in the near future. But you should probably tell the coaches that your evaluation of him from a single scrimmage is more relevant than their daily interaction.

And the constant bitching about the offense the last two years is ridiculous. 2016 was one of the most productive offenses in Bama history.

Everyone knows Jalen regressed last year, but if you've got a real problem with the offense that won the NC (which is a fricking stupid thing to complain about), it should be with Daboll. He took almost exactly the same team, and lost 800 yards and 13 TDs from the QB position. AND insisted on giving Scarbrough half of the carries when Harris was near the top of the league in YPC. Daboll was a terrible OC for us. He won't last long with the Bills if he doesn't quickly figure out how to call plays.

Whether you three like it or not, it's still going to be Tua, Jalen, and Mac. In that order.
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
1568 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 1:05 pm to
Jalen had at least 5 int’s dropped by defenders last year that should have been easy picks.

Jalen has a really bad confidence problem. He’s probably a little bitter about the situation and that’s normal to a degree.

We all know Saban’s mentality about whining and bitching, the man hates it. Jalen didn’t do his self any favors saying what he said.
Knowing Saban’s past with players that did this... Kamara ran off, Drake stayed two years in the dog house and others I have forgotten about.

Right now, Tua seems to be establishing his self as the Alpha, has the confidence, saying all the right things. Not to mention coming off the bench in the most important game of the season, created a spark and hasn’t looked back.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65076 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 1:10 pm to
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We were talking about Mac Jones and the fact he looked better than Hurts in the spring game.


The back-up QB usually looks better than the starting QB in the spring game due to the fact that QB 1 is facing the first string defense and QB 2 is facing the second and third string defense.

quote:

And my simple point is that if Jalen can get better, so can Mac Jones, and the fact he's younger, and with less experience, it's very possible that he may improve more than Jalen will.


It's also just as possible that he will flame out like all of our third string QBs have done since Saban arrived in 2007. Of all the starting QBs we have had in that time, not one of them had ever been lower than second string on the depth chart before taking over the starting job.

I guarantee you Mac Jones will never see the field in a major role while at Alabama unless someone gets hurt.
This post was edited on 8/12/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:18 pm to
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I guarantee you Mac Jones will never see the field in a major role while at Alabama unless someone gets hurt. 

Iirc, many were certain that Blake Sims would never be a starting QB at Bama.
Posted by BamaWins15
Member since Sep 2015
4612 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:20 pm to
i want all of you to know, "I'm HAPPY!" ROLL TIDE!!!
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Whether you three like it or not, it's still going to be Tua, Jalen, and Mac. In that order.

Yeah I think we've made it pretty clear that's what we want.

We are sick and tired of
1 Tua OR Jalen
2 Mac
Posted by CAbamafan
Member since Dec 2017
1167 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:51 pm to
quote:

You are constantly filled with negativity. It really doesn't seem like you enjoy being a Bama fan

I've also been accused of being overly optimistic.

I am stuck on the QB issue and have been since midway through last season. I'm more sick of it than anyone. I was finally vindicated when Tua beat Georgia in OT. But then here we are, close to the season opener and Saban STILL refuses to name Tua as the guy.

The reason I harp on the QB is because it's the only problem I see with the team. I like to fix problems - that's my mentality.

If you want my season prediction it's that we go undefeated, Tua wins the Heisman, and we dominate everyone. That doesn't make for much discussion though
Posted by Ackinboy
Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
26 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 2:58 pm to
Jalen is below average pocket passer and everyone knows this In the spring game Mack was playing against the 2nd string defense and Jalen was up against the # 1. Tua looks great against our defense and Georgia but what will he do against lsu Auburn miss state Defense....only time will tell.
Posted by UASports23
Member since Nov 2009
24348 posts
Posted on 8/12/18 at 4:40 pm to
quote:

ua looks great against our defense and Georgia but what will he do against lsu Auburn miss state Defense....only time will tell.


I take my chance with Tua's Offense over an one dimension offense. Bring it on.
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