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Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:41 pm to bamameister
Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:41 pm to bamameister
As fast as the Lane train had OM snapping the ball, UGA would be fools not to follow it up.
Kirby, without question, consulting with his ole buddy Lane this week.
Kirby, without question, consulting with his ole buddy Lane this week.
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:43 pm to VaBamaMan
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You have some pretty rosy memories of the past. Pruitt still had issues on third down and long, and while it was often elite offense, it wasn't always. It's why Clemson ran 99 plays on us the year they beat us on the last play of the game. We couldn't get off the field, ever. But we also have up a ton of random third and longs to other teams. Kirby had the same issues on third and long his last few years. 2012 was the last year we didnt struggle on third downs at least semi-consistently. And even that year Manziel beat us partially because of plays made on third down.
Every year that Pruitt and Smart were here we had statistically one of the best defenses in cfb.
Obviously we had some trouble with Deshaun Watson and Clemson BUT. we strangled them until the very end when our defense was worn out because our terrible offense kept going 3 and out.
That 2016 defense was the best of the modern era of cfb - without question.
It’s not some delusional memory.
The things you’re bringing up about offenses “figuring us out” are universal across the sport. Offenses are dominating.
What matters is having a top 5 defense relative to everyone else. We always had one pre-Golding. If we had a top 5 defense this year, we’d still be giving up lots of yards, but nothing like what we’re seeing
Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:44 pm to VaBamaMan
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I think there is something OC's found, and the last few years they've started taking more advantage of it on all downs (snip) ... I'm starting to think it's something in Saban's defensive philosophy.
I think it might have something to do with Saban's belief that you can be completely prepared for anything the offense throws at you. With the advent of HUNH / RPO and associated rule changes, I'm not sure that's a feasible approach any longer.
Regardless of the scheme you run (3-4, 4-3, 3-3-5, etc.), modern offenses can scheme to create a mismatch on any given play. Minimizing the impact of that mismatch requires all 11 players on defense doing their job properly every single time, which in turn requires a complete understanding of what their job is.
Having a complex, multifaceted defense is great in theory -- assuming you can teach it to the players, have them fully understand it, and execute it properly.
I'm almost certain we've taught our full defense to the players. I'm about 50% confident that all of them understand it, and I'm about 30% confident that they can all execute it properly on any given play.
Something is broken on the defense, and I'm about ready to concede that it's just too much for the players to process. The complexity of the defensive schemes, combined with multiple looks from an offense -- particularly looks that change just prior to the snap -- make it nearly impossible for the players to know what they're supposed to do a fair portion of the time.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:46 pm to Sauron
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I'm about ready to concede that it's just too much for the players to process. The complexity of the defensive schemes, combined with multiple looks from an offense -- particularly looks that change just prior to the snap -- make it nearly impossible for the players to know what they're supposed to do a fair portion of the time.
I don’t think you’re wrong and maybe it’s time to let the kids be athletes, fly to the ball, correct as we go, and hope we can win the LOS.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:55 pm to Robot Santa
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Moses, Allen, Jobe, Wright, and Surtain are all 3rd or 4th year players. Harris started all season last year. Battle played a ton of snaps last year. Moore is the only one who has the young and inexperienced excuse.
Exactly. We have plenty of experience on defense and a senior stud at MLB
Inexperience is part of college football. Every team has it.
There is no excuse for what we’re seeing on the field except for coaching. And more specifically, it’s play calling, and the lack of an attacking philosophy
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 4:57 pm to CrimsonClover
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If we had a top 5 defense this year, we’d still be giving up lots of yards, but nothing like what we’re seeing
We're still reeling from what we saw Saturday, which is understandable. But the defense did look improved from last season in both the Mizzou and A&M games. The same A&m team that just shredded the Florida defense. I'm not saying it was a perfect game, because it wasn't, but I'd take that defense most weeks this season. I'm looking at the rest of our schedule and there's not an Ole Miss caliber offense left on it, so I really don't see a repeat of Saturday happening, though I do still expect some struggles. If we can hold every team left on our schedule below 24-30 points, I like our chances to run the table with this offense.
I think back to the doom and gloom in 2015 after a pitiful showing at Arkansas. That team responded well the rest of the season.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:01 pm to CrimsonBoz
Way back when Alabama gave the great Derrick Thomas & Keith McCants the freedom to use their athletic abilities, simply flying to where the football was, whether it was the Qb passing or running back on a handoff.
The speed/fast pace style of play, executed right by good offensive players is to much on our defensive players trying to follow the complexity of our scheme.
We need to turn their asses loose, giving them the freedom of flying to the football.
The speed/fast pace style of play, executed right by good offensive players is to much on our defensive players trying to follow the complexity of our scheme.
We need to turn their asses loose, giving them the freedom of flying to the football.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:02 pm to The Spleen
I hear you. I wasn’t totally pissed with our defense the first two weeks.
But this last week does matter, and that was the worst defensive performance at Alabama in Saban’s tenure. Maybe in the past 50 years.
The thing is, we have some SERIOUS talent on defense, and those guys are making plays in spite of the poor scheme.
Texas A&M was one dropped pass away from that being a different ballgame.
Ole Miss was a couple of bad snaps away from that being a different ballgame.
The recurring theme is that we’re depending on the opposing offense to make self-inflicted errors. That’s pretty sad.
What’s our defense gonna look like vs Clemson and Ohio State? Because don’t forget that our real goal is a national championship.
Something has to change if we’re gonna win it all.
But this last week does matter, and that was the worst defensive performance at Alabama in Saban’s tenure. Maybe in the past 50 years.
The thing is, we have some SERIOUS talent on defense, and those guys are making plays in spite of the poor scheme.
Texas A&M was one dropped pass away from that being a different ballgame.
Ole Miss was a couple of bad snaps away from that being a different ballgame.
The recurring theme is that we’re depending on the opposing offense to make self-inflicted errors. That’s pretty sad.
What’s our defense gonna look like vs Clemson and Ohio State? Because don’t forget that our real goal is a national championship.
Something has to change if we’re gonna win it all.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:17 pm to VaBamaMan
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You have some pretty rosy memories of the past.
Pruitt still had issues on third down and long, and while it was often elite offense, it wasn't always. It's why Clemson ran 99 plays on us the year they beat us on the last play of the game. We couldn't get off the field, ever. But we also have up a ton of random third and longs to other teams.
Kirby had the same issues on third and long his last few years. 2012 was the last year we didnt struggle on third downs at least semi-consistently. And even that year Manziel beat us partially because of plays made on third down.
Again, I think OCs have slowly been figuring this out, and have nailed it down now.
The problem with this argument is that 2016 defense under Pruitt was terrifying - maybe the best defense we’ve ever had under Saban.
We gave up some 3rd downs to an elite offense/QB, but really the main reason we spent so much time on the field that game was Jalen and the offense.
And Georgia under Kirby to me looks a lot like a classic Saban defense, so it seems that it’s still possible to field a good Saban-ish defense - we just can’t do it here anymore, apparently.
There is another argument to be made - that offenses are just too fricking good now. See Clemson vs Alabama 2016 (although I still think that had a lot to do with our offense not being able to stay on the field), Burrow and LSU versus Georgia last year, etc. Hopefully Alabama versus Georgia next week. That a truly elite offense just can’t really be stopped anymore.
But that’s sort of irrelevant to the point, which is that we can’t seem to field an elite defense anymore.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:34 pm to VaBamaMan
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Pruitt still had issues on third down and long, and while it was often elite offense, it wasn't always. It's why Clemson ran 99 plays on us the year they beat us on the last play of the game. We couldn't get off the field, ever.
Huh? Clemson was able to run 99 plays because our own offense kept going 3 and out
Talk about revisionist history
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:36 pm to Crede15
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The problem with this argument is that 2016 defense under Pruitt was terrifying - maybe the best defense we’ve ever had under Saban.
So terrifying that Ole Miss scored 43 points and Arkansas scored 30 that season. Plus you had the Clemson game where they gave up 35 points and couldn't get off the field on that final drive.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 5:59 pm to CrimsonBoz
Honestly, unless it’s to announce he’s fired Golding IDGAF what he has to say about the defense.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:49 pm to TiderNAL
I don’t want to rewatch the game because I told myself when that game ended, I will never look at it again... I’m just confused on how did it get to this point? We have the talent and you saw flashes during Mizzou, but this is hard to swallow. When your best tacklers on the team are your corners, then you know there is a problem.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 6:52 pm to RollTide1987
the 2016 defense was sound. They defended the pass, and the point of attack on the run; busts were infrequent and the wheel route was rarely wide open. The 2020 defense is a bust a minute trash heap of embarrassing effort, overly complex schemes with poor coaching at the lbs and our good safeties (true freshmen and rd freshmen) are still too young for our 400 page playbook (reamer showed it to me once). Our pass (remove the p) defense is the 6th worst in the country. Leave the excuses at the door. That is Texas tech level.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:05 pm to CrimsonBoz
I think we just need to play a base defense on 1st and 2nd downs so we don’t get confused. 3rd downs we can call plays. With our offense we don’t have to shut teams down just hold them under 24-28 and we will win every game easily.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:09 pm to bodask42
Sounds like he needs to stop blaming players and start blaming coaches....
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:30 pm to RollTide1987
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So terrifying that Ole Miss scored 43 points and Arkansas scored 30 that season. Plus you had the Clemson game where they gave up 35 points and couldn't get off the field on that final drive.
They also led the country in yards per game allowed and points per game allowed. And were the best defense in the country according to S&P plus, if you care about that sort of thing.
I don’t have it in me to look up the stats, but that was the year we also scored a ton of points on defense.
The Ole Miss game included a defensive touchdown and two late touchdowns after we went way up. I don’t really remember the Arkansas game well, but it’s fairly obvious that our offense hung the defense out to dry in the Clemson game.
Wherever you think they rank among Saban teams, they were obviously a great defense.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:36 pm to Crede15
Terrell Lewis was never a behavioral problem. In fact, he was an all SEC academic selection. I'll take his word that Golding has a communication issue. I think many of us have had teachers who knew the material but they struggled with imparting that material to others. I think the same is true for Golding.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 7:37 pm to Shaft Williams
The Ole Miss game showed Golding has no clothes.
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