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Saban, CEO?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:16 am
Posted on 10/20/19 at 9:16 am
What’s going on? We started the season having to thrust a bunch of freshmen into the starting lineup and we knew there would be growing pains and busted assignments. No surprise. But what I don’t understand is the mental mistakes by veterans as much as the youngsters. The stupid penalties, the inability to get guys on the ground, etc. We have seen that in years past but when we’ve seen it, it’s addressed and cleaned up and it dwindles as the year progresses. Saban’s teams have played clean, with minimal penalties and turnovers. Now it appears it’s not being addressed. It seems to be getting worse, not better. You’ve got guys in the secondary who can’t stay with their guy without grabbing them and getting a PI. That’s Saban’s baby, that’s right in his wheelhouse.
I’m wondering if he’s stepping back and becoming more CEO and less hands on. It certainly looks like it. The attention to detail and the crispness and cleanness seems to have slipped. Are the assistants taking a greater role? I’m sure some of it is worrying more about the big things like assignments with the youth movement but that doesn’t explain it all. We aren’t playing to a standard and it’s glaringly obvious. Tell me why.
I’m wondering if he’s stepping back and becoming more CEO and less hands on. It certainly looks like it. The attention to detail and the crispness and cleanness seems to have slipped. Are the assistants taking a greater role? I’m sure some of it is worrying more about the big things like assignments with the youth movement but that doesn’t explain it all. We aren’t playing to a standard and it’s glaringly obvious. Tell me why.
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Posted on 10/20/19 at 10:57 am to phil4bama
stahp. I think this sounded much better in your head.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:31 pm to phil4bama
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Are the assistants taking a greater role? I’m sure some of it is worrying more about the big things like assignments with the youth movement but that doesn’t explain it all. We aren’t playing to a standard and it’s glaringly obvious. Tell me why.
If I’m being totally honest, I think it’s Saban’s age. He doesn’t have the same energy that he used to have, and energy matters when you’re leading a group of young men. He’s more subdued.
This really stuck out to me in the title game last year.
I think at this point we’re getting by on talent alone, but honestly we’re not making the right decisions relative to the depth chart, and there’s a lack of leadership out there. Saban seems to be handing the responsibility to the players more with a “How bad do you want it?” message, while his intensity is tapering off.
I realize this sets me up for a flogging on here, and i could be wrong, but that’s what my gut says
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:36 pm to uofarolltide
What an awful take.
You haven't been paying attention.
You haven't been paying attention.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:42 pm to phil4bama
Sorry, but what the hell are you guys talking about?
Saban's system is known to be very complicated. The people that are starting now are normally in the system for a few years before they are allowed to start, because it takes them that long to grasp it.
So you're basically saying that Saban is losing his touch because he wasn't suddenly able to turn a 2-3 year process in a 2-3 week process with all these guys?
Yeah it's week 8 or whatever now and that's even more time, but still the point remains. While they may get better learning, they also get beat up a bit and the other teams see their weak points and gameplan on it.
fricking coaching job of the year if you really want to account for all the shite that's going on. And people are instead talking him losing a step?
Saban's system is known to be very complicated. The people that are starting now are normally in the system for a few years before they are allowed to start, because it takes them that long to grasp it.
So you're basically saying that Saban is losing his touch because he wasn't suddenly able to turn a 2-3 year process in a 2-3 week process with all these guys?
Yeah it's week 8 or whatever now and that's even more time, but still the point remains. While they may get better learning, they also get beat up a bit and the other teams see their weak points and gameplan on it.
fricking coaching job of the year if you really want to account for all the shite that's going on. And people are instead talking him losing a step?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:47 pm to phil4bama
EABOD
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:49 pm to 3down10
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because he wasn't suddenly able to turn a 2-3 year process in a 2-3 week process with all these guys?
It’s not just this. Alabama used to be a team that was so good at every position, and played so mistake-free that we could win a natty with an average QB. Think of how poor this team would be if we had a guy like Trask at QB, who’s pretty decent.
Tua is carrying this entire program right now.
I understand about the 2 LBs, but it’s not just that, and it’s not just this year
Posted on 10/20/19 at 3:58 pm to uofarolltide
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It’s not just this. Alabama used to be a team that was so good at every position, and played so mistake-free that we could win a natty with an average QB. Think of how poor this team would be if we had a guy like Trask at QB, who’s pretty decent.
Tua is carrying this entire program right now.
I understand about the 2 LBs, but it’s not just that, and it’s not just this year
All this falls under my previous post.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 4:02 pm to phil4bama
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You’ve got guys in the secondary who can’t stay with their guy without grabbing them and getting a PI. That’s Saban’s baby, that’s right in his wheelhouse.
So you’ve never heard the phrase, “I’ll take 15 before I take 6!”? Seemed to work last night considering the one touchdown they scored.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 5:37 pm to phil4bama
You ever post anything positive about BAMA?
Posted on 10/20/19 at 5:58 pm to phil4bama
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I’m wondering if he’s stepping back and becoming more CEO and less hands on. It certainly looks like it. The attention to detail and the crispness and cleanness seems to have slipped. Are the assistants taking a greater role? I’m sure some of it is worrying more about the big things like assignments with the youth movement but that doesn’t explain it all. We aren’t playing to a standard and it’s glaringly obvious. Tell me why.
To be fair, I can remember a lot of DBs on past Bama defenses not turning their heads around when the ball got to them and getting tagged with plenty of unnecessary flags. Point being, not all players will have the greatest technique and past defenses of ours have had their fair share.
While I will say that everyone has their own version of the spread they run, the reality is that with the spread offense, will ALWAYS come the spread defense. The choice is ours.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 6:16 pm to bamameister
Another thing we are seeing now with us is,turnover. We are having too many players leaving early for the NFL. This was the problem faced by severalother teams before.
LSU after 2011 comes to mind.
It's very hard if the players remaining in the system do not develop as expected or get injured or just flame out.
We have had all of that the last two years hence the inconsistency and sporadic poor play.
LSU after 2011 comes to mind.
It's very hard if the players remaining in the system do not develop as expected or get injured or just flame out.
We have had all of that the last two years hence the inconsistency and sporadic poor play.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:22 pm to uofarolltide
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If I’m being totally honest, I think it’s Saban’s age. He doesn’t have the same energy that he used to have, and energy matters when you’re leading a group of young men. He’s more subdued.
This really stuck out to me in the title game last year.
I think at this point we’re getting by on talent alone, but honestly we’re not making the right decisions relative to the depth chart, and there’s a lack of leadership out there. Saban seems to be handing the responsibility to the players more with a “How bad do you want it?” message, while his intensity is tapering off.
I realize this sets me up for a flogging on here, and i could be wrong, but that’s what my gut says
Im there too. I honestly think we're on the tail end.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:39 pm to stomp
Next year will be the real test of Coach Saban's longevity at Alabama. That team will be the weakest we wil have in many many years and will have to rebuilt championship standards.
If Coach can do that and still maintain our position in the Top Ten,then we should win more championships.
If Coach can do that and still maintain our position in the Top Ten,then we should win more championships.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:48 pm to My2Bits
You know, I post plenty of positive stuff about Bama. I’m asking a legit question. I’m worried Saban is nearing the end. I’ve lived through that before with Coach Bryant. It’s not fun and not pretty. The tightly run ship is not as tight. If you can’t see that, you’re blind. But then again there’s plenty of sunshine pumpers on here that if Tua’s foot fell off, they’d say at least it wasn’t his plant foot. You don’t like my posts? Nobody forces you to read them. So kindly STFU. At least I’m trying to generate genuine discussion and debate, not a cheerleading thread.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 7:55 pm to phil4bama
Heard rumors Its Coach Scott Cochran that has let the standards slip a little relative to discipline.
Hes with the team more than Saban is.
BTW the most successful head coaches are CEO minded, and Saban has been the best CEO in college football for over a decade. Losing all his sr executives to competition has made quality control impossible. He cant do it all on his own. Ain't nothing wrong with Sabans motor. Hes been stabbed in the back more than Julius Caesar.
Hes with the team more than Saban is.
BTW the most successful head coaches are CEO minded, and Saban has been the best CEO in college football for over a decade. Losing all his sr executives to competition has made quality control impossible. He cant do it all on his own. Ain't nothing wrong with Sabans motor. Hes been stabbed in the back more than Julius Caesar.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:09 pm to PowHound
Yeah I think we’re witnessing the tail end of a great if not the greatest dynasty in college football history. Bama will still be competing come November the next few years but I think we’re starting to see the slow death spiral at this point. I’ve enjoyed thebhell out of it and it’s been a great ride. I’ll still cheer them on whether we’re 10-2 this year or 15-0.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:12 pm to narddogg81
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:43 pm to labamafan
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Yeah I think we’re witnessing the tail end of a great if not the greatest dynasty in college football history. Bama will still be competing come November the next few years but I think we’re starting to see the slow death spiral at this point. I’ve enjoyed thebhell out of it and it’s been a great ride. I’ll still cheer them on whether we’re 10-2 this year or 15-0.
Amen, sir! I agree. I fell in love with Alabama football during the 1st golden age, the 1970's. Then I lived through the dark times and I've been lucky enough to see a 2nd dynasty with CNS. But the end is nearer than the beginning. And the other poster may be correct, it may be more about losing his coaches than personal slippage, but I hope he can put the pieces together long enough for 1 more run of 4-5 years where we play lock down defense and whatever offense we damn well please. I don't know if that will happen or not. If nothing else, we're on the downside of a dip in the road for a season or two after this one. Doesn't matter though. I'm Bama born, and Bama bred, and when I die, I'll be Bama dead, but I'll always have too much Bama in me.
Posted on 10/20/19 at 8:48 pm to phil4bama
I was just a young lad those days and too little to get it or care. Born in 74. 92 was great and this has been a blast. We’ve seen more national titles in our life span than most college football fans will ever see in 3 lifetimes.
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