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Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:09 pm to RTR America
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:09 pm to RTR America
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But we have no idea if he will get better until they play an actual game, so all we have to go off of is what took place last season.
not true. we can keep an eye and an ear on the practice reports and we hopefully will know if he is doing better. during bowl practices reports were coming out that Derrick Henry was really improving and doing a great job. how did that turn out for us?
Plus, if you dont think we can get any idea what is going on with players from the practice reports, why are you in the WE TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE thread?
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:13 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
The only reason some of you think he's going to be great is because he plays for Bama. If he played for Auburn or LSU, you would be willing to admit what is plain as day to everyone else. I'm just objectively looking at his body of work and saying at this point I'd rather have someone else out there. Sorry that I don't buy in to the homer opinion.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:15 pm to chattabama
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If he played for Auburn or LSU, you would be willing to admit what is plain as day to everyone else.
You know people like you wanted Dee Milliner pushed to the side after his freshman season. He got burned by every WR with a pulse. And yet he went on to become a 1st Team All-American as well as a first round draft pick.
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I'm just objectively looking at his body of work and saying at this point I'd rather have someone else out there.
Who?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:16 pm to RollTide1987
exactly all young corners are going to get burnt we have had these conversations about Simeon Castille, Marquis Johnson, Dre Kirkpatrick, Dee Milliner, Cy Jones, and we will have them about Tony Brown, Marlon Humphrey, and Minkah Fitzpatrick.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:17 pm to RollTide1987
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Dee Milliner
Dee got it BAD from Bama fans in 2010.
Then he had a quiet, very solid year in 2011, then All American, top 10 pick in 2012/13.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:17 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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sorry if you dont like bama fans supporting bama players.
Jesus
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:33 pm to chattabama
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The only reason some of you think he's going to be great is because he plays for Bama.
i dont think he's gonna be great, but i think he's ok and he's worthy of being a contributor on the team.
but i also dont think he sucks. I dont think he had as bad a first year as Milliner did. Dee played offense and safety in HS. I believe the same is true for Cyrus. Will he improve as much as Dee did? I doubt it. but it's not out of the realm of possibilities.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:38 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
-- Saban likes the attitude and the way they practiced in pads. It's always more challenging in pads, but makes it easy to see who can overcome adversity. Others "need to mature a little bit."
-- Saban doesn't like immaturity and he explained why. They need everyone to buy in, he said and that's been very good.
-- Saban like LB Dillon Lee, has good size and gets off blocks. He is competing for a starting job right now.
-- Tony Brown is a really good competitor and is anxious to do things the right way. He can contribute. He just needs to develop the technique.
-- Amari Cooper played outstanding football for two years, Saban said. He got very confident as a freshman, has been "phenomenal" this spring. Having Lane Kiffin around helps too.
-- Guarding against complacency is always an issue with the turnover on a roster every year. Some leaders step in better than others.
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-- Saban doesn't like immaturity and he explained why. They need everyone to buy in, he said and that's been very good.
-- Saban like LB Dillon Lee, has good size and gets off blocks. He is competing for a starting job right now.
-- Tony Brown is a really good competitor and is anxious to do things the right way. He can contribute. He just needs to develop the technique.
-- Amari Cooper played outstanding football for two years, Saban said. He got very confident as a freshman, has been "phenomenal" this spring. Having Lane Kiffin around helps too.
-- Guarding against complacency is always an issue with the turnover on a roster every year. Some leaders step in better than others.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:46 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Cyrus Jones is going to be a starter. Some of y'all are just going to have to deal with it.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:49 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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but i also dont think he sucks. I dont think he had as bad a first year as Milliner did.
Watch the ATM game and then the Auburn game and get back to me on who had the worst first year. After watching those games tell me about how much improvement Cyrus Jones made in his first year. That is my main beef with Cyrus. Had he shown any improvement from start to finish I would be okay with him as a starting corner. Given how he finished the year I am not optimistic.
At least Milliner had prototypical size to work with. Every OC in the conference knows that if you want success in the passing game match up Cyrus Jones with your biggest wide receiver.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:57 pm to chattabama
IMO, Cyrus had a much worse year than Dee. I remember defending Dee on boards because people were greatly overreacting. He got beat some but wasn't as bad as people were making out.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:57 pm to chattabama
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Every OC in the conference knows that if you want success in the passing game match up Cyrus Jones with your biggest wide receiver.
that was true last year. and the same thing was true about Milliner his first year. Go watch the 2010 Iron Bowl. every time AU needed a first down they threw at Dee; and they knew to do that because it had been happening all season.
I think Jones is best suited to be a nickel corner. He is almost always going to be shorter than the other team's #1 WR. But nickel corners are valuable too.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:06 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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that was true last year. and the same thing was true about Milliner his first year. Go watch the 2010 Iron Bowl. every time AU needed a first down they threw at Dee; and they knew to do that because it had been happening all season.
I think Jones is best suited to be a nickel corner. He is almost always going to be shorter than the other team's #1 WR. But nickel corners are valuable too.
Cyrus could be great at covering the Slot, especially in Robber.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:08 pm to sarc
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Cyrus had a much worse year than Dee
Agreed. I think we are trying to remember Dee's first year as worse than Cyrus's to make us feel better about Cyrus Jones.
It's altogether possible that Jones turns it around this year, but there's a definite reason he lost his starting job in the Sugar Bowl.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:20 pm to chattabama
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there's a definite reason he lost his starting job in the Sugar Bowl.
i think the reason was Eddie Jackson getting out of the dog house. Jackson has the prototypical size and he played very well against Ole Miss.
we've actually got a lot of highly recruited CBs on the roster this year. If Jones can be one of the top 3, i think that is pretty good.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:42 pm to chattabama
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I think we are trying to remember Dee's first year as worse than Cyrus's to make us feel better about Cyrus Jones.
You're putting words in our mouths. No one is saying that Milliner's freshman year was worse than Cyrus Jones's freshman year. We're simply saying that the bitching from fans is very similar. Ryan Mallett made Dee Milliner his bitch in that Arkansas game. And Cyrus Jones wasn't even the worst DB on the team last year. That distinction belonged to John Fulton.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:47 pm to RollTide1987
Actually I did say I thought Milliner had a worse 1st year. But I admit that I was biased against him because he's from Stan hope and I'm from Prattville. I don't remember Dee getting any picks his first year and it seemed like he got beat on every out route thrown at him.
Obviously I haven't broken down the tape and graded each guy's first year. But the comparison is there. I distinctly remember both guys playing man when the rest of the team was in zone which leads to big plays and fans scratching their heads and screaming at the tv
Obviously I haven't broken down the tape and graded each guy's first year. But the comparison is there. I distinctly remember both guys playing man when the rest of the team was in zone which leads to big plays and fans scratching their heads and screaming at the tv
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:52 pm to RollTide1987
John Fulton was the worst, but Cyrus Jones was fighting him for that distinction. Jones must be a practice warrior to have kept Eddie Jackson at bay.
If Cyrus is our starting corner, then I'm hoping that he has made a complete 180 from last year. Otherwise we better hope that Lane Kiffin is as good as advertised. We're going to need to score a ton of points to keep up.
If Cyrus is our starting corner, then I'm hoping that he has made a complete 180 from last year. Otherwise we better hope that Lane Kiffin is as good as advertised. We're going to need to score a ton of points to keep up.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 7:57 pm to chattabama
Marquis Johnson was awful his first three years at corner but became a solid CB by his senior year. Does anyone remember him have five defended passes in that 2009 South Carolina game?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 8:05 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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yeah, yall are saying he sucks and shouldnt be playing. but i say that him being with the first team in practice discredits your opinion. others pointed out that CBs typically improve after their first year, which further discredits your opinion.
You have no idea how Saban works do you? Were Maze and Hanks better than guys like White and Norwood?
I can answer that for you. They weren't. But they had seniority over them. Saban will give the older guys a chance to hold their spot. That is what Cyrus has. If he holds it that means something. But this is Spring Practice. Your spot in spring ball means nothing. Remember Robbie Green?
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