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re: Kiffin is THE obvious successor
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:01 pm to CrimsonFever
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:01 pm to CrimsonFever
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Dabo. What has Kiffin won exactly? The Peach bowl. A lot of recency bias in this thread.
By that logic Mack Brown, Shrimp Boat Ed, and Gene Chizik would all be better options as well since they've won championships in the past. Dabo's recruiting practices are not viable anymore. Clemson will continue to have some success with the relatively narrow class of kids their style of program appeals to, but if you won't push NIL or recruit the portal to at least address immediate needs you're not going to compete for championships. If you're cool with that (having a competitive, but not championship caliber, program where guys stick around for 3/4 years even as backups like it was 20 years ago) then that's fine, but I think Dabo would wear out his welcome after about 3 years of 8-9 win seasons and leave behind a roster that is significantly worse than how he found it.
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Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:04 pm to Robot Santa
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By that logic Mack Brown, Shrimp Boat Ed, and Gene Chizik would all be better options as well since they've won championships in the past.
Dabo likely would’ve won 4 NC’s if not for Saban and Alabama barely beating them twice in the NC game.
The coaches you mentioned won one fluke NC because they had generational QBs. Nothing about any of Dabo’s 2 NC’s or his 4 NC game appearances were a fluke.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:05 pm to Kenny Stapler
Didnt mean mature as in behavior, but his process. It all matured and came together and became known as his process at an elite level at Alabama. Yeah, something tells me Saban was fully mature by 12 yo
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:18 pm to CrimsonFever
Clemson had generational QBs also
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:36 pm to CrimsonFever
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The coaches you mentioned won one fluke NC because they had generational QBs. Nothing about any of Dabo’s 2 NC’s or his 4 NC game appearances were a fluke.
So Vince Young, Cam Newton, and Joe Burrow were flukes but Happy Ending and Sunshine weren't? I mean we have plenty of evidence to know what a Dabo team without great QB play looks like, and it looks like a team that would not contend for a spot in the playoffs against an SEC schedule. Kiffin has won 10+ in the SEC with Matt Corral and Jaxson Dart, who are both firmly in the good not great category of QBs.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:39 pm to Bear88
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Clemson had generational QBs also
I disagree. Lawrence and Watson were great college Qbs but neither won the Heisman.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:41 pm to Robot Santa
Yea ED O and Chizik had one great year each and were bad to average every other year they were head coaches. Dabo been to the NC 4 different years. The comparison makes no sense.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 2:47 pm to CrimsonFever
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Lawrence and Watson were great college Qbs but neither won the Heisman.
what does that have to do with anything? They were both finalists and Heisman caliber QBs
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:03 pm to CrimsonFever
It's not meant to make sense. It's meant to illustrate how stupid the mindset of focusing on championship pedigree and nothing else is when evaluating potential coaching hires. We literally just saw, in our own division, what can happen when you hire a guy who won a championship elsewhere 5 years ago and slowly watched the program slide until someone else tossed him a life preserver. That's why recency bias kind of matters. The game changes. Most coaches don't change with it, which is why what Saban has done is totally unprecedented and will never be replicated.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:12 pm to CrimsonFever
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Clemson had generational QBs also
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I disagree. Lawrence and Watson were great college Qbs but neither won the Heisman.
Bro, please, you just trolling now... Watson shredded the best college defense maybe ever. They ran 100 plays in that game. He put that team on his back and willed them to victory. He was the only player in the country that could have denied Bama a title that day.
Sunshine is a freak of nature, much like Cam. Huge, fast, big arm etc. Those guys dont come around very often.
They were both elite top five draft picks. ( sure one or both were no.1)
Stahp. Dabo would be outclassed in the SEC in a big way. Ah Shucks Clemson is the perfect pasture for him to roam about.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:18 pm to PowHound
To act like Dabo only won NC’s because of his Qb is whats trolling. Especially when he did it with two different QBs, 4 different years.
Nothing about any of Dabo’s NC’s or NC game appearances were lucky. He is a good coach, unlike ED O or Chizik who never had any success outside of the two years they had Heisman winning Qbs.
Nothing about any of Dabo’s NC’s or NC game appearances were lucky. He is a good coach, unlike ED O or Chizik who never had any success outside of the two years they had Heisman winning Qbs.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:25 pm to CrimsonFever
Who is Kiffins best college QB he has been the HC of? None have came close to winning the Heisman or playing for a NC.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:30 pm to CrimsonFever
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Dabo. What has Kiffin won exactly?
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Dabo. What has Kiffin won exactly?
Dabo had DeShaun Watson and Trevor Lawrence in a down ACC for a total of 6 seasons. He won two titles. You think if Ole Miss were in the ACC they'd have 2 losses this season?
What do you think Kiffin would do with that kind of talent? He took Blake Sims to the CFP.
Kffin is the guy imo.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:34 pm to CrimsonFever
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Who is Kiffins best college QB he has been the HC of? None have came close to winning the Heisman or playing for a NC.
You are kind of defeating your own argument here. Kiffin has done less, but with much less. All of Dabo’s Natty appearance were with a top 5 1st round pick QB. All were Heisman finalists. That’s not taking anything away from the guy, but you are arguing n circles.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:34 pm to CrimsonFever
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Nothing about any of Dabo’s NC’s or NC game appearances were lucky. He is a good coach, unlike ED O or Chizik who never had any success outside of the two years they had Heisman winning Qbs.
Then why hasn't he been back? Or even closer to being back?
You think Clemson will be in the playoffs next year or the next?
I don't.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:34 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
Yep. Took a backup running back to a qb that let BAMA to the annual CFP
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:38 pm to biggsc
Clemson got beaten by Duke, Miami, NCSt, FSU.
Kiffin lost to BAMA & uga.
If you think Clemson is a better program today than Ole Miss, there's no convincing you of anything.
But I'd definitely make Kirby tell me and $150m, "No".
Reason is, getting Kirby doesn't just keep the train rolling, but it would CRUSH uga. Who would they hire to replace him? They wouldn't recover.
Kiffin lost to BAMA & uga.
If you think Clemson is a better program today than Ole Miss, there's no convincing you of anything.
But I'd definitely make Kirby tell me and $150m, "No".
Reason is, getting Kirby doesn't just keep the train rolling, but it would CRUSH uga. Who would they hire to replace him? They wouldn't recover.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:45 pm to Crimson K
If Kiffin is such a great recruiter why has he done less with less? Dont we want our next coach to be able to bring in QBs like Lawrence and Watson?
It’s hard to make the argument that Kiffin has won based solely on talent because he hasn't won anything.
It’s hard to make the argument that Kiffin has won based solely on talent because he hasn't won anything.
This post was edited on 12/31/23 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:46 pm to CrimsonFever
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If Kiffin is such a great recruiter why has he done less with leas?
He has to play Saban every year, for one. Kirby doesn't even have to do that. You see how well he does when he has to play Saban.
Posted on 12/31/23 at 3:48 pm to CrimsonFever
Also, both qbs are from the state of Georgia. There was a pretty crowded qb room in Athens when they were recruited. Think Dabo may have benefited from that?
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