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Posted on 8/7/18 at 4:51 pm to prevatt33
Posted on 8/7/18 at 4:51 pm to prevatt33
Not true. I am acting like it took a monumental frick up at quarterback to lose it in 2016. Best defense in the history of college football that shut Watson down for three quarters. You know the rest. Team sport but when your quarterback can't distribute the ball to elite skilled talent then that in fact is a recipe to lose a football game as evidenced in the first half of Georgia and the entire games of every elite team faced the prior two years. Either way I am done. You wouldn't admit you were wrong if Saban himself came out and admitted it and I am done stating my case anyway. You are the wrong poster to debate with so Roll Tide and let's be thankful we can run the entire offense this year and kick arse doing it.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 5:17 pm to BamaGradinTn
Jeff had to start in 76 as a soph and he struggled early vs Ole Missy and UGA. My wife and I went to Athens and UGA kicked our azz 21-Zip and it really wasn't that close. He got better and we lost to ND in South Bend 21-17 and Jeff threw a pick in the endzone near the end of the game. 9-3 and a dayum good football team at the end of the year, Bama beat the shet out of UCLA in the Liberty Bowl. 38-6. Jeff turned out to be a great college QB. Salute to him.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:23 pm to Commander Data
I am not saying Saban should not have started Tua a few games earlier. I'm only saying that I think it's logical to see how Hurts gave us the best chance to win for the first 8 or 9 games of 2017, despite his shortcomings. And yes, Hurts' shortcomings are glaring and definitely held us back offensively for the last 2 years.
Roll Tide, and yes, you and I are both ecstatic that the Hurts tenure at QB is likely done, and we can finally run a proper 2-dimensional offense.
Roll Tide, and yes, you and I are both ecstatic that the Hurts tenure at QB is likely done, and we can finally run a proper 2-dimensional offense.
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:45 pm to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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I was at the Ole Miss and Georgia games. That was one very, very long afternoon in Athens. We didn't lose many games in the seventies, but getting bent over and physically abused just didn't happen. It did that day.
ND was actually 21-18. We were within a FG of a tie. I think Barry Krauss had a pick...may have been his coming out party.
This post was edited on 8/7/18 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 8/7/18 at 6:47 pm to Commander Data
Data, I apologize to you if my over-zealous attitude in a few posts in this thread offended you. It wasn't my intent. My bad.
But regarding Saban making mistakes in the past and your examples, I wanted to say that I do not think Hurts cost us a Natty in the Title game versus Clemson in 2016. Was he a world beater? No, but he played well enough and drove us down to take the lead late. I blame the loss on Bo Scarborough's lower leg bones and Steve Sarkesian, the former for breaking and the latter for running the hurry up for nearly the entire 4th quarter, despite our lack of offensive success.
Regarding 2017, as I see it, the QB who gave us the best chance to win was:
September - Definitely Jalen Hurts
October - Definitely Jalen Hurts
Early/Mid November - Maybe Tua, Maybe Not
Late November - Definitely Tua
Post-season - Definitely Tua
And my sole point through all of this is to argue against the idea that Tua should have been playing the whole time. It's just illogical based on what a QB has to master. If you disagree, I totally respect it, but I cannot get on board with it. Take care, buddy. Roll Tide.
But regarding Saban making mistakes in the past and your examples, I wanted to say that I do not think Hurts cost us a Natty in the Title game versus Clemson in 2016. Was he a world beater? No, but he played well enough and drove us down to take the lead late. I blame the loss on Bo Scarborough's lower leg bones and Steve Sarkesian, the former for breaking and the latter for running the hurry up for nearly the entire 4th quarter, despite our lack of offensive success.
Regarding 2017, as I see it, the QB who gave us the best chance to win was:
September - Definitely Jalen Hurts
October - Definitely Jalen Hurts
Early/Mid November - Maybe Tua, Maybe Not
Late November - Definitely Tua
Post-season - Definitely Tua
And my sole point through all of this is to argue against the idea that Tua should have been playing the whole time. It's just illogical based on what a QB has to master. If you disagree, I totally respect it, but I cannot get on board with it. Take care, buddy. Roll Tide.
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 7:03 pm to prevatt33
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Posted on 8/7/18 at 7:54 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 8/7/18 at 8:59 pm to TidalSurge1
Happy Birthday to Jalen!
20 years young today!
Much Love!
20 years young today!
Much Love!
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:29 am to BamaGradinTn
I don't recall fans favoring the backup so much during the Bear's era; I recall it mostly starting from the 90's. Woodson/Barker, Barker/Burgdorf, Zow/Watts, AJ/P.Sims (only before AJ established himself after the first few games), B.Sims/Coker, Hurts/Barnett, and Hurts/Tua are the ones that initially come to mind, but I'm sure I missed a few...
I agree but funny fact...Rutledge had better passing stats in '73 and Todd had better rushing stats which was the exact opposite of their strengths/reputations. That '73 team could've been the one of the best of all time...an extra point and/or one defensive play away...the '73 Sugar Bowl brought me to tears as a youngster...
I remember watching that '77 Nebraska game on TV...that game (and the media's love affair with ND) cost us the championship that year. Rutledge was a great QB at Bama but that was the worst game of his career. He throws 5 INTs at a ranked team's home stadium and we lose by a TD...and if I recall correctly, we had the ball late with a chance to go ahead...
As for Shealy, he was one of my favorite Bama QBs in the Bear era as he was so great at running the Wishbone...he was nowhere near Rutledge's league as a passer, but when he hooked up with Bama's receivers in '79, it was usually a big play. Their top receiver that year (Keith Pugh) averaged almost 18 yds/catch and they had three other receivers that averaged over 20 yds/catch, albeit on a smaller number of receptions. That '79 team was awesome; great defense, very efficient offense...
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Todd vs. G. Rutledge, 1973: Lots of people preferred Todd because of his athleticism and passing ability, and as was apparent from his NFL career, he was much more talented.
I agree but funny fact...Rutledge had better passing stats in '73 and Todd had better rushing stats which was the exact opposite of their strengths/reputations. That '73 team could've been the one of the best of all time...an extra point and/or one defensive play away...the '73 Sugar Bowl brought me to tears as a youngster...
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Rutledge vs. Shealy: In 1977, with Rutledge now a veteran and Shealy a sophomore with zero game experience, absolutely no one favored Shealy, who didn't have much of an arm, in spite of a disastrous 5 interception game by Jeff at Nebraska. They were the only picks Rutledge threw all season. Shealy did get meaningful snaps during the season, but Rutledge was the guy, and everyone knew it.
I remember watching that '77 Nebraska game on TV...that game (and the media's love affair with ND) cost us the championship that year. Rutledge was a great QB at Bama but that was the worst game of his career. He throws 5 INTs at a ranked team's home stadium and we lose by a TD...and if I recall correctly, we had the ball late with a chance to go ahead...
As for Shealy, he was one of my favorite Bama QBs in the Bear era as he was so great at running the Wishbone...he was nowhere near Rutledge's league as a passer, but when he hooked up with Bama's receivers in '79, it was usually a big play. Their top receiver that year (Keith Pugh) averaged almost 18 yds/catch and they had three other receivers that averaged over 20 yds/catch, albeit on a smaller number of receptions. That '79 team was awesome; great defense, very efficient offense...
Posted on 8/8/18 at 9:43 am to John Milner
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Hurts is doing exactly what Saban advised them not to. First his Dad, and now this.
Exactly.
I'm an Alabama fan first and foremost. Not a Hurts fan first, or a Saban fan first. I want the team to win games. Saban knows how to do this. There's no crying in baseball (or football)! This is a multi multi million dollar team. It's big business.
To ME whether Hurts is right or wrong, this is NOT the way to go about things. For that, he is losing my support more and more rapidly, and I want to be a fan of his.
What I am -certain- of is that Tua would not behave this way if the shoe were on the other foot.
Hurts has earned my respect as a player, and it really sucks it's going down like this... but he is losing my support and probably a lot of others coming out and being a baby about things. Not a team first mentality at all.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:11 am to prevatt33
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I apologize to you if my over-zealous attitude in a few posts in this thread offended you. It wasn't my intent. My bad.
Prevatt, I like you and you post a lot of solid stuff, but this seems to happen every thread. Come on man.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 10:12 am to prevatt33
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Regarding 2017, as I see it, the QB who gave us the best chance to win was:
September - Definitely Jalen Hurts
October - Definitely Jalen Hurts
Early/Mid November - Maybe Tua, Maybe Not
Late November - Definitely Tua
Post-season - Definitely Tua
And my sole point through all of this is to argue against the idea that Tua should have been playing the whole time. It's just illogical based on what a QB has to master.
After game 2 last season hurts was at 5 straight games with under 150 yards passing. 5, straight, in a row. That is the exact time where you start giving tua significantly more in game experience. We got lucky.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 11:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
I hear you George, but I didn't really do anything this time. I only apologized because he seemed frustrated from the giant shitstorm happening in the other thread.
Again, I hear you and I'm watching my words more, but I didn't cross any line with him at all. Like at all. I just wanted to be nice.
Again, I hear you and I'm watching my words more, but I didn't cross any line with him at all. Like at all. I just wanted to be nice.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:21 pm to prevatt33
No problem man, you add a lot.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 12:34 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 8/8/18 at 2:13 pm to m2pro
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To ME whether Hurts is right or wrong, this is NOT the way to go about things. For that, he is losing my support more and more rapidly, and I want to be a fan of his. What I am -certain- of is that Tua would not behave this way if the shoe were on the other foot. Hurts has earned my respect as a player, and it really sucks it's going down like this... but he is losing my support and probably a lot of others coming out and being a baby about things. Not a team first mentality at all.
Agree with all of this. He's not the first player in the history of college football to lose his starting position, he's not even the only one from last year's offense at Bama who lost a starting spot. As far as I know Matt Womack is just busting his arse trying to earn playing time
Posted on 8/8/18 at 3:34 pm to John Milner
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quote:Hurts was at practice and still at the front of the QB line taking the same amount of reps as usual according to BOL Tagovailoa was first in line of the qb drills on the 2nd day. They are alternating, as I supposed would be the case.
This will continue. If Jalen doesn't transfer part of me thinks he takes snaps against LV.
Once we get close I will probe for that answer.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 4:25 pm to CrimsonBoz
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This will continue. If Jalen doesn't transfer part of me thinks he takes snaps against LV.
Once we get close I will probe for that answer.
I think Hurts will start vs Louisville. I also think both qbs will have predetermined series for the first game and perhaps the 2nd game. By the 3rd game I think it's Tua's team.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 4:32 pm to John Milner
Although I think it is important to keep Jalen engaged and on the team this Fall if he starts against Louisville this board is going to be unbearable.
Posted on 8/8/18 at 4:33 pm to John Milner
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I think Hurts will start vs Louisville. I also think both qbs will have predetermined series for the first game and perhaps the 2nd game. By the 3rd game I think it's Tua's team.
Can we please not do this shite again? Just make a decision and stick with it.
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