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re: Few things from today 11/12
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:48 pm to prevatt33b
Posted on 11/13/19 at 5:48 pm to prevatt33b
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The reality is that we've laid complete eggs in all or part of our last few big games.
We've been a better team than we performed every tim
That, my friends, is a coaching problem.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:24 pm to prevatt33b
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Saban ain't waving his arms like a 30 year old, that's for sure.
But he could call the D in his sleep.
What confounds me is that, if Saban is the de facto DC as so many people say, or if he can call the D in his sleep, why aren't we better? Why does it matter who is the DC? Yes, I know all about the youth, but a lot of people think Golding is at least some to blame.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:34 pm to John Milner
Youth, inexperience, players leaving early for the NFL and recruiting misses is why Bama's defense has been so bad the last 2 years.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 7:15 pm to TiderNAL
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That, my friends, is a coaching problem.
You talked me into it. Saban's gotta go.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 7:31 pm to OldPete
McClain is a little crazy and a Alpha, that's the reason for all of the off the field stuff. Does he have a little cousin or someone who's a baller?
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:28 am to prevatt33b
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You talked me into it. Saban's gotta go.
I'm obviously not calling for Nick Saban to go, that's ludicrous. However it's not hard to see that something has changed with Alabama's defense playing below the standard of Alabama defensive football beginning last season at times, culminating in the route versus Clemson. Injuries and inexperience contributed a lot this year, but it isn't the first season that freshmen have played key roles on the defense and it was still pretty solid. Coaching turnover, less than stellar coaching hires have contributed.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:53 am to John Milner
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if Saban is the de facto DC
Is he though? I think this is just a longstanding myth. He's heavily involved in the scheme and the coaching, but he's not the one calling the plays (the DC) or managing the personnel (the position coaches). We've lacked in both of those areas which will lead to a "bad" defense.
Some of those issues date back all the way to Kirby's days here. I think we got so used to having elite players on defense that we were lulled into a conservative mindset on that side of the ball. Don't risk an aggressive playcall (nickel blitz, double A gap, etc) when Jon Allen or Quinnen Williams is going to disrupt the play anyway. We've played a bend but don't break style for several years now, but we didn't even bend because we just had the dudes on that side of the ball.
As frustrating as it's been to watch this season...how does Clemson look if they lose two starting linebackers and a starting defensive end before the season starts? What about LSU? Ohio State? We were dealt a pretty shitty hand this season on that side of the ball. Add Labryan Ray, Dylan Moses, and Josh Mcmillon to this defense and I think you've got not only a much more talented unit, but a much more organized unit that isn't blowing assignments every week. You have to play the hand you're dealt though. It's why before the Duke game I predicted an aggressive scheme this year. If you've got guys that are unsure of what they're supposed to do, it's simplest to tell them to run downhill and go get the football in the backfield- not give a heisman candidate time for his 4 and 5 wide guys to find the soft spot in your coverage because you aren't exactly sure who you're supposed to be covering, or you get caught up in pre snap eye candy to realize your coverage responsibility is standing by himself in the flat. An aggressive defense mitigates a lot of that, because it forces the QB to make a decision before the offensive play design is complete. I've been pretty disappointed with the defense this year, but the kids are running the plays that are called in from the sideline. Yes, at the end of the day Saban is very involved in the gameplan and can over rule any call on gameday, but LSU didn't do anything against us that they haven't done all season, and we didn't figure out a way to attack it enough to slow them down. On the other side of the ball, they blitzed Tua early and often and timed much of it on the same cadence we've used since Jalen took over. They couldn't cover our receivers, but it didn't matter because they got to Tua before our guys finished their routes. A novel concept that Golding apparently doesn't grasp.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 8:59 am to remaster916
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Youth, inexperience, players leaving early for the NFL and recruiting misses is why Bama's defense has been so bad the last 2 years.
Yeah, the last couple of years have been hard on the defense as far as injuries, early entries, and other losses.
Early Entries (might've missed some):
Marlon Humphrey R-SO (2016)
Minkah Fitzpatrick JR (2017)
Ronnie Harrison JR (2017)
Da'Ron Payne JR (2017)
Mack Wilson JR (2018)
Quinnen Williams R-SO (2018)
Deionte Thompson R-JR (2018)
Saivion Smith JR (2018)
Significant injuries (might be missing some):
Terrell Lewis
Anfernee Jennings
Christian Miller
Christopher Allen
Mack Wilson
LaBryan Ray
Dylan Moses
Josh McMillon
Trevon Diggs
Other losses:
Keith Holcombe (Baseball)
Vandarius Cowan (disciplinary reasons)
Eyabi Anoma (transfer)
Antonio Alfano (transfer)
That's a significant amount of attrition the last couple of years from our defense alone...
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:05 am to OldPete
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A dude like Rolando McClain
Grew up around gangs in Decatur. Barron grew up right outside of Pritchard. Jon Allen grew up in a military household. Ronnie Harrison grew up in Tallahassee. You just need a bad motherfricker on that side of the ball sometimes, and the others will take on that personality. Those guys got visibly pissed off on the field and took it personally when mistakes were made. I haven't seen a guy on this defense light into one of his teammates yet. Word is that Jennings is a badass, but he's not an outspoken one that demands excellence from his teammates. Maybe it's just a different generation now, it can't be easy to maintain that drive and desire when you're signing up to play for the unquestionable giant in the sport--it's human nature to a point to expect the jersey to carry some of the load when you're 18 years old. The days of AJ McCarron and Barrett Jones nearly coming to blows when we're up 4 touchdowns are long gone.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:11 am to Riseupfromtherubble
This has probably been answered on here, but does anyone know how many snaps Christian Harris got on Saturday? I don't remember seeing him out there a bunch. Which is kind of crazy.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:26 am to Funky Tide 8
Benton is the linebacker in the dime package, which we were in for the majority of the game saturday. He is allegedly our best coverage linebacker- or at the least knows the responsibilities best in that package. It makes sense to an extent. It's a lot to ask of Harris to know what he's supposed to do at this point in all of our packages. Subbing in Benton there lets him focus on dime responsibilities throughout the week and allows the other two to focus on base responsibilities throughout the week. The package we're in will be dictated by the offensive personnel. Best to have a guy out there that theoretically has repped it all week
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:51 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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The package we're in will be dictated by the offensive personnel
Was this the case Saturday? I know previous years we were able to shutdown the run game because we could run our base D against passing personnel/down&distance.
I figured Saturday we were in dime mostly because of our own experience/depth and not LSU packages but I haven't rewatched.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 9:52 am
Posted on 11/14/19 at 9:55 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Benton is the linebacker in the dime package, which we were in for the majority of the game saturday. He is allegedly our best coverage linebacker- or at the least knows the responsibilities best in that package
And that is a scary, telling sign.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:03 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Thank you for the clarification.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 10:51 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Grew up around gangs in Decatur. Barron grew up right outside of Pritchard. Jon Allen grew up in a military household. Ronnie Harrison grew up in Tallahassee. You just need a bad motherfricker on that side of the ball sometimes, and the others will take on that personality. Those guys got visibly pissed off on the field and took it personally when mistakes were made. I haven't seen a guy on this defense light into one of his teammates yet. Word is that Jennings is a badass, but he's not an outspoken one that demands excellence from his teammates. Maybe it's just a different generation now, it can't be easy to maintain that drive and desire when you're signing up to play for the unquestionable giant in the sport--it's human nature to a point to expect the jersey to carry some of the load when you're 18 years old. The days of AJ McCarron and Barrett Jones nearly coming to blows when we're up 4 touchdowns are long gone.
This is what Suttles meant when he says Alabama has lost its soul. I know some here don't like him much, but he's speaking the truth on this.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:30 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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The days of AJ McCarron and Barrett Jones nearly coming to blows when we're up 4 touchdowns are long gone.
A couple or so games ago, Tua and Jeudy went off on one another...but definitely not seeing any of that on the defensive side of the ball...
Posted on 11/14/19 at 11:52 am to Syd
quote:Rolando wasn't the only crazy fricker on those teams, that defense literally fed off each other and as the game wore on they got hungry and wanted to show out.
McClain is a little crazy and a Alpha, that's the reason for all of the off the field stuff. Does he have a little cousin or someone who's a baller?
Saban said they used to aggravate the hell out of him in practice because they wouldn't give 100%, but when it was game time.... they came to play.
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:12 pm to CrimsonBoz
You are in this for the "look at me, I'm in the know" element of it. You're no different than the other douchebags over the years who are desperate to be seen as "insiders."
No offense but get over yourself. You seem similar to so many others on Bama forums who want to be regarded as "in the know" regardless of what little you actually know.
No offense but get over yourself. You seem similar to so many others on Bama forums who want to be regarded as "in the know" regardless of what little you actually know.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:24 pm to RT1941
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Saban said they used to aggravate the hell out of him in practice because they wouldn't give 100%, but when it was game time.... they came to play.
We need to get back to recruiting a hateful bunch
Posted on 11/14/19 at 1:30 pm to AHM21
AHM21, Boz has long proven that he gets inside info, and he also disseminates this info in a reserved manner, as any insider should. It's been proven over multiple years and across multiple boards. And a good lot of us really appreciate any info that gets shared, as it significantly increases our enjoyment of our beloved Crimson Tide in this little dysfunctional community here.
What you're doing now is just being a hater - a pathetic, pitiful hate-loser. Boz doesn't strut around here, and the only type of person who'd think he was and want to call him out on it as you have tried to is just the worst kind of loser - one who needs to belittle others to feel like a big man. This is pathetic.
What you're doing now is just being a hater - a pathetic, pitiful hate-loser. Boz doesn't strut around here, and the only type of person who'd think he was and want to call him out on it as you have tried to is just the worst kind of loser - one who needs to belittle others to feel like a big man. This is pathetic.
This post was edited on 11/14/19 at 1:34 pm
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