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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:28 am
Posted by LovetheLord
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:28 am
So, you guys who know football, (that knocks you out of the discussion Shaft), what kinds of adjustments do you see needing to be made in order to deal with modern offenses? Perhaps more high risk-high reward plays, like looking to jump routs? Go back to mount Cody in the middle will leaner defensive ends?

I will hang up and listen.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 8:54 am to
Not have half of your starters injured for the season.
Posted by IB4bama
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Member since Oct 2017
1977 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:16 am to
Not sure that can be stopped unless the refs start calling holding on the O linemen. But the def backs get away with a lot of holding too. I think you really need fast linebackers. What we have isnt going to work. Clemson's linebackers at least got to Burrow a number of times when they blitzed. Obviously if Burrow completes 90 pct of his passes against a 3 man rush, you might as well take your chances with pressure or he will just pick you apart. That just wears your players down too and the 4th qtr become a jail break. Most QBs are easier to confuse and defend than Burrow, though. That guy is deceptively fast. And tough.
Posted by biclops
Member since Oct 2011
6149 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:16 am to
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Not have half of your starters injured for the season.


That's half the puzzle. The other is to find a more suitable role for Pete Golding.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9446 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:18 am to
quote:

So, you guys who know football, (that knocks you out of the discussion Shaft), what kinds of adjustments do you see needing to be made in order to deal with modern offenses? Perhaps more high risk-high reward plays, like looking to jump routs? Go back to mount Cody in the middle will leaner defensive ends?


I'm glad I'm on your mind.
Posted by RammerJammer91
Member since Jan 2016
5172 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:25 am to
Just to start:

1. Not fatten up the DE's to the point where they can't rush the passer.

2. Do the opposite of whatever they've done with LB's in fall camp the last 2 years that has resulted in season-ending injuries.
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:26 am to
D-line looks to be in good shape. If the assignment light comes on for Barmore with spring and fall camp our D-line should be excellent. The down side is that if Barmore does make that move he will continue the move out of the program and we only get one strong year out of him. I expect Ray to have a good year and jump to the NFL as well. Next two men up have to be identified and get good experience next season.
ILB - Moses and Harris should be good to go. Kaho/Lee/Kennedy/Bratton - We need two of them to step up to provide depth and add to the base for 2021.
OLB - it is moving day for Allen, I hope he is ready to step up. We need two more from the rest of the group to show they are ready go - 6 or 7 bodies that could do it but time to see who will do it.
Safety - Battle and Hellams look to be the future there. Battle appears to be the braintrust to run the backend show. Is he ready mentally to be That Guy? Hope so is all I got at this point.
CB - this will be Surtain's year. By the end of April we should know who will join him. We need two of the group Jobe/JAD/R Williams to take their place on the field.

I suspect the spring for Hellams/R Williams/Kaho/Barmore to determine how high the Tide rises next season.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:34 am to
I wouldn't call this a schematic adjustment as much as coaching and technique, but what made Joe burrow so special this season and why I think he'll struggle early in the NFL is this-

His shots downfield, more often than not, are 50/50 balls. He's not throwing guys open, he's not throwing pinpoint passes to guys in stride that have a step on the defender, he's simply throwing it to really good players that are looking when their defender isn't. I bet he threw 20 touchdowns this season where the DB was in perfect coverage but never looked for the football. It takes balls to make that throw. It's a risky throw. But if you're confident in your scouting and know that the cornerback hasn't turned to find the football all year, it's really not a risky throw.

Against great QB's like that that realize the reward outweighs the risk, my message to the defensive backs would be pretty simple. Defensive backs know when they're beat or out of phase, you see them panic and start to grab. So, defensive back, if you think you're beat, just turn your head around.

Easier said than done because that has to be instinctive or coached into a kid one, but the difference in Derrick Stingley getting 6 interceptions on the year and leading the country in pass breakups wasn't athleticism of the ability to stay in phase, Diggs did that all year and #8 from Clemson did that all night last night. They both got torched against LSU because they might as well have been blindfolded. Chase and Marshall are looking at the ball and the DB isn't. If you're toasted, resign to punishing the arms and hands and separating the football, don't worry about finding it. If you're beat by a step between 15-40 yards, just turn your damn head around and catch the ball. You know it's coming because that's a good QB and your guy has a step on you down the field. It's the most maddening thing that Saban teaches to me. You need a WR mindset when the ball is in the air. It's fair game when the ball takes flight, find it and go get it.

From a "scheme" standpoint, the same thing will work now that has always worked against any balanced offense.

Be able to pressure the QB with 4 players. That's recruiting, scouting, and execution. Doesn't matter who is playing QB. If he's under pressure and you have 7 guys defending 4, you have a tremendous advantage.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14209 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:34 am to
Play fast, play physical, meet at the QB.

KISS stands for "Keep It Simple Stupid."
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13243 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:36 am to
To add to your point, we have got to make signing some elite DBs a priority . With offenses today , you can’t have enough cover men on the roster and I mean corner types
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44385 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:36 am to
There is one way and one way only to slow down a well executed spread offense with a good QB and WRs and that is to generate consistent pressure with a 4 man rush. If you are constantly having to blitz to create pressure then you'll get burned by it a lot more often than you'll see any benefit from it.
Posted by Sl0thstronautEsq
Antarctica
Member since Aug 2018
9269 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:40 am to
quote:

If the assignment light comes on for Barmore with spring and fall camp our D-line should be excellent.


I think it's more than just the assignment light. I think he needs to work on his stamina/endurance/etc. He seems to run out of gas too quickly.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:44 am to
Guys, I am not just talking Alabama, here. I mean defenses in general. Erybody gettin’ burned to death by the offenses right now. Clemson’s seasoned d, with what some consider a GOAT coordinator, was a mercy knee away from giving up 49 to LSU. LSU’s series before that was more junk period run off the clock stuff, and LSU missed a field goal to boot. This could have been worse.

Men! We’ve got to do something to save our phoney-baloney jobs!

Edit: good post Rubble.
This post was edited on 1/14/20 at 9:47 am
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24929 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:45 am to
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Be able to pressure the QB with 4 players.


This is it. A good QB with good WRs will beat you most times if you have to commit more than 4 to the pass rush on a regular basis. There will just be too much open field to cover.

The well-time blitz is great, but being able to speed up the QB and make him uncomfortable/inaccurate with 4 guys while you have 7 covering the field and you are going to be in good shape.
Posted by LovetheLord
The Ash Grove
Member since Dec 2010
5618 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:49 am to
What do you think those 4 guys look like size and weight wise? And would you go heavy in the middle and leaner on the Edges?
Posted by Tw1st3d
Member since Jul 2017
775 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:53 am to
If we can get one LB to step up this off season our nickle/dime/rabbit will be off the hook at getting to the QB without having to blitz.

Ray/Barmore in the middle. Allen/Moses coming off the edge. Harris/Kaho sideline to sideline at LB. Surtain/Jobe/Williams/Battle/Hellams on the backend.

That group is why I said the springs for Barmore/Kaho/Hellams/Williams will be so big for next year.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14209 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Guys, I am not just talking Alabama, here. I mean defenses in general. Erybody gettin’ burned to death by the offenses right now. Clemson’s seasoned d, with what some consider a GOAT coordinator, was a mercy knee away from giving up 49 to LSU. LSU’s series before that was more junk period run off the clock stuff, and LSU missed a field goal to boot. This could have been worse.

Men! We’ve got to do something to save our phoney-baloney jobs!


Clemson is always going to be very tough to put a measuring stick on before the playoff. Coming out of the ACC with all that talent can make anyone look like fools gold.

And now for the saddest truth of them all, there is no easy defensive fix short of doing away with the constant running clock. At that point, defenses can get on the field after each snap and can now match up with offensive personnel and play to down and distance. I have a sneaky feeling though that the NCAA is in love with watching all these scoreboard explosions.

Any talented QB can throw the ball for 5 to 10 yards in these spread concepts and score in bushels. And that's about all it takes to be called the greatest these days. Ask Tom Brady?
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44385 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 9:57 am to
quote:

Erybody gettin’ burned to death by the offenses right now. Clemson’s seasoned d, with what some consider a GOAT coordinator, was a mercy knee away from giving up 49 to LSU.


Clemson lost their entire D-Line from last season. They got some pressure on Burrow but they failed to bring him down far too often and they had to roll the dice to get there in the first place. When they didn't get there they paid for it.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9446 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:01 am to
I think our defense will be fine with better tackling, more QB pressure, and more experience that we will have next season. Also, I'm sure every DC and OC is studying the LSU offense and I think the DCs will have a better idea of how to defend such an offense.

I'm interested to see if we hear anything about coaches Saban consults with in the off season about his defense.
Posted by OldPete
Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
2804 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 10:04 am to
quote:

So, defensive back, if you think you're beat, just turn your head around.

Agree, as that has been the biggest gripe I've had on our DBs. The last couple of DBs we've had that did that pretty consistently were Levi Wallace and Dee Milliner. Wallace had outstanding technique but also he always seemed to know where the ball was. Milliner's junior year was one of the most impressive I've seen from a Bama corner; he only had 2 INTs (his hands weren't that great) but he had something like 22+ passes defended (led the nation).

I also think, if you have the time to implement it (such as bowl/play-off prep), throw a scheme that they haven't seen all year. In the CFPCG game last year, Venables threw a defense at us they hadn't played all (cloud coverage); all the game film we studied was useless. I also think back to the 1993 Sugar Bowl; Brother Oliver's plan was brilliant and their Heisman QB was confused all game. Many times, we had 10 or all 11 men playing up around the LOS; some times, we sent 7 or 8, sometimes we only sent 3. We hadn't done that all season long...

But the rules still heavily favor the offense; until the refs consistently enforce both the ineligible receiver downfield rule (or they change it to the NFL rule) and holding, as well as keeping the flag in their pocket on ticky-tack PI calls, the deck will still be stacked against the D...
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